HayesGreener
Hellcat
Transitioning from a double action or striker platform over to single action carried locked and cocked has a learning curve
Does This Gun Prove That John Moses Browning Got the 1911 Wrong?
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Talyn
SAINT
Just some extra info.A JMB design in 9mm is called a Browning Hi Power
JMB started the process in the design of the Hi-Power. Here's what his prototypes (one blow-back & the other locked-breach) looked like before he passes in 1926, 9 years before the Hi-Power design was finalized (locked-breach) and completed by Dieudonne Saive (who also instrumental in designed the FAL) at FNH.
The patents for the initial prototypes were issued in 1927.
The P-35 Hi-Power
FN Herstal initially named the design the "High Power", which alludes to the 13-round magazine (D. Saive developed) capacity, compared to other designs at the time. Then FNH named the pistol the "Browning" Hi-Power in his honor due to the immense contribution that JMB made to make FNH a success using his various designs after Winchester started stiffing him on the designs he had/was making to Winchester for decades.
Note: The John M. Browning Museum is located in Ogden, UT if you're ever in that area.
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Excluding the occasional gun hipster who throws out “Maxim!”, most gun hobbyists, when asked who the greatest firearms designer of all time was, will answer without hesitation, and with a tone of almost worshipful reverence “John Moses Browning”. It’s difficult to argue with this. Others...
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Talyn
SAINT
9mm 1911's have been made 80+ years.
During WW2 the Germans had 1911s (produced in Belgium by FN who held the original Browning Patent) in 9mm, and .45 acp like the Norwegian 1911 variants. Most were used by second-line German forces and wartime Belgian police. Use by the Wehrmacht was fairly limited due to regulations requiring the issue of standardized German models, but some were used by the SS who had their own arms procurement system.
During WW2 the Germans had 1911s (produced in Belgium by FN who held the original Browning Patent) in 9mm, and .45 acp like the Norwegian 1911 variants. Most were used by second-line German forces and wartime Belgian police. Use by the Wehrmacht was fairly limited due to regulations requiring the issue of standardized German models, but some were used by the SS who had their own arms procurement system.
HayesGreener
Hellcat
Good info. Aaaannnnd-the Germans made a Luger in 45ACP prior to WWI
MN.Militia
Operator
Odd, my first 1911 was a Star in 9mm and it never jammed. What I didn't like about that gun was how the safety was too loose and didn't engage or disengage with a definite click after some initial resistance, the way my Springfield 1911 does. For that reason alone, I always carried "Israeli style" with no round in the chamber, hammer down, safety disengaged, and only once did I have to draw and shoot in an instant (A wild animal was startled by my cat sneaking out of the back door as I was taking out the garbage, and attacked her
). Because I drilled drawing/charging as a single motion, I was able in a split second to shoot the wild animal before it could do any damage to my cat. Immediately after that, I invested in a Ruger P-series 9mm.PS: I think the Jam-O-Matic nomenclature seems to have originated with Kimber a few decades ago, and the fellow I knew who was frustrated with it junked all his Kimber mags & switched to Wilson Combat, and presto! Problem solved!
Keystone19250
SAINT
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HayesGreener
Hellcat
HansGruber
Ronin
Although it looks like a 1911, the Star B models are not 1911’s.Odd, my first 1911 was a Star in 9mm and it never jammed. What I didn't like about that gun was how the safety was too loose and didn't engage or disengage with a definite click after some initial resistance, the way my Springfield 1911 does. For that reason alone, I always carried "Israeli style" with no round in the chamber, hammer down, safety disengaged, and only once did I have to draw and shoot in an instant (A wild animal was startled by my cat sneaking out of the back door as I was taking out the garbage, and attacked her
PS: I think the Jam-O-Matic nomenclature seems to have originated with Kimber a few decades ago, and the fellow I knew who was frustrated with it junked all his Kimber mags & switched to Wilson Combat, and presto! Problem solved!
Annihilator
Emissary
Very good read thanks!
Annihilator
Emissary
Yep, not a 1911….
Dillon Justice
Operator
I have a LLama Omni that I bought around 1983. It has had thousands of round through it and I can't recall it ever jamming. It's also very accurate. The D/A trigger is very smooth. It is my tackle box gun (I live in Florida ) and after Hurricane Michael I haven't been fishing for 3 years due to the large number of trees down ( and in the water) and all the debris also in the water. I remembered my LLama was under the seat of my bass boat. I found it and my heart sank. The slide was very rusty but nothing internal was rusted. I sanded and polished the slide to a high gloss and like the new two tone look. It no longer sleeps in my boat.
Dillon Justice
Operator
Personally I think you're right. I've carried a variety of different firearms as my EDC. A few years ago I decided that I would only carry Da/SA either revolver or semi. Pull trigger go boom. It just so happens that I no longer own a single wonder nine or a striker fired weapon. Don't have anything against them, it's just that any of my " I'd never sell this gun" happens to have hammers (yes I'm old). I have a BHP in 40 S&W that I love and I have carried it a few times breaking my rule, but oh well, rules are made to be broken.
Dillon Justice
Operator
I'm an over the road trucker and have driven through and also stopped at the Tonopah Truck stop many times.
Dillon Justice
Operator
I did the opposite. I went from single action ( 1911 and BHP for several years) to a D/A S/A. Having been a revolver guy for years the two different triggers didn't bother me at all. I went full circle. Wheel guns - D/A Semi - Single Action Semi - back to D/A S/A. Life is full of choices
Tonopah
Operator
Dillon Justice: I picked up the nickname Tonopah because of many motorcycle rides from Southern California to Tonopah, NV. We used to do those rides on the first weekend in February and rode through mining towns, desert, Trona, Goldfield and often on ice to Tonopah itself. The next day we rode back. It was kind of a challenge and was memorable.
polishpig
Alpha
So somebody is controlling our replies to some degree. Oh well, it's their forum.
Bassbob
Emissary
Do you know of any forum anywhere that doesn't control content to some degree? This one happens to be associated with a firearms manufacturer which brings a whole lot of legal baggage along with it.