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I need help, HCP EDC missing piece

PC5217

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Hey everybody,

I'm new to this site. Hope everyone is doing well. I'm in CA and just bought a 2nd hand Hellcat Pro. This is my first firearm from Springfield Armory. I want to add this to my CCW, although I ran into an issue. It's missing the Magazine Disconnect as required to be CA compliant. Springfield Armory stated that I need to send the firearm in for repairs as they do not sell that piece due to it being a safety mechanism. It was removed by the previous owner and he lost it.

Anyone out there have one I can maybe buy? I'll be needing the pieces in the photo with the exception of the pin.

Thanks in advance,
- P.
 

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WElcome to the forum. Send it to the factory for repairs.

This is not directed at the OP, but a general comment for anyone who cares. One should NEVER remove any factory safety device from a firearm, for several good reasons. Magazine disconnects are especially subject to urban rumor hysteria. If you don't want one, don't buy a gun that has one.
 
PC5217 said:
Hey everybody,

I'm new to this site. Hope everyone is doing well. I'm in CA and just bought a 2nd hand Hellcat Pro. This is my first firearm from Springfield Armory. I want to add this to my CCW, although I ran into an issue. It's missing the Magazine Disconnect as required to be CA compliant. Springfield Armory stated that I need to send the firearm in for repairs as they do not sell that piece due to it being a safety mechanism. It was removed by the previous owner and he lost it.

Anyone out there have one I can maybe buy? I'll be needing the pieces in the photo with the exception of the pin.

Thanks in advance,
- P.
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yeah, call (not email) the company, and send it back, they very well may repair it for ZERO....



that way too, at the very least, you would know it was done correctly.
 
Id say move BUT nobody likes it when I say that. So how'bout this, who would know it had a deleted mag disconnect if its concealed? If you ever need to use the gun, the mag disconnect will be the least of your worries in that state; and you just might be glad you could easily fire it

....BUT if you insist then send it to the manufacturer
 
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PieterCoetzee said:
Id say move BUT nobody likes it when I say that. So how'bout this, who would know it had a deleted mag disconnect if its concealed? If you ever need to use the gun, the mag disconnect will be the least of your worries in that state; and you just might be glad you could easily fire it

....BUT if you insist then send it to the manufacturer
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but Pete....

God forbid, he gets into a shooting....and of course his gun is seized....??

i would be thinking it'll get fully inspected....

then...what might happen to him....??
 
Old_Me said:
but Pete....

God forbid, he gets into a shooting....and of course his gun is seized....??

i would be thinking it'll get fully inspected....

then...what might happen to him....??
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Yes youre not wrong but that assumes they will actually check (which is questionable) and then even if they do what will matter is IF it was a good shooting. Are they gonna say, "Yep it was a good shooting but you used a gun without a magazine safety."; because if thats a worry then it really is time to leave.
 
Onewolf426 said:
I will not modify or delete ANY firearm safety. Period. I am all about mods, improvements, customization, etc., but not to the detriment of safety.
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PieterCoetzee said:
Hmmm, I think about all the 1911 grip safeties that were pinned over the years
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Pete, the thing(s) is/are, that policies have changed or are in place to change in many states across the country..as an example, here in my state, voters are leaning more towards the "progessive" side of one party.

they want everything abolished, and here in my city, "they" want rent control...much like NY

that rent control, would apply to big corporate owners, not someone like me/wife that own only 1 home...

for now....

thankfully, the city council could NOT over ride the mayors veto....

seems like "a few" missed that important vote....

so...no rent control...in mY city........for now


now as for guns, HERE in my state, the AG, and the Anti 2A crowd, push, push, push...time after time for tougher laws. which we already HAVE some of the toughest gun laws in the country.

so now, remove ANY safety feature, or "pin it"...then get into a shooting event.

customizing is only enhancing the looks....

messing around with the safety features, built into ANY gun, would be detrimental to ones defense, as the gun was now...."built to factory specs"

in some states, like mine.......and i am sure a few other blue states......

its a gamble i'd not want to take.

cuz as you might have read, seen on tv, or whatever........."they want our guns, rather than to actually go after the criminals"
 
Old_Me said:
would be detrimental to ones defense,
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I hear what youre say but I disagree, especially when it comes to a magazine safety. You arent making the gun any less safe. STILL it all comes down to whether it was a good shooting or not. In a good shooting you go home and you pick up the gun in a couple days. A bad shooting means youve more to worry about then an enhanced pistol.

Brother YOU should do what you think is best; but its the LAST thing Id be worried about.
 
PieterCoetzee said:
I hear what youre say but I disagree, especially when it comes to a magazine safety. You arent making the gun any less safe. STILL it all comes down to whether it was a good shooting or not. In a good shooting you go home and you pick up the gun in a couple days. A bad shooting means youve more to worry about then an enhanced pistol.

Brother YOU should do what you think is best; but its the LAST thing Id be worried about.
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2 former cops...2 different opinions...

no, not me, i am not a former cop, but someone else here is.
 
Old_Me said:
2 former cops...2 different opinions...

no, not me, i am not a former cop, but someone else here is.
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OK buddy do what works for you.

Youll get a lot of opinions choose the ones that work for you. As for me Im pretty confident in my statements. I generally think theres too much "What If" fears about self defense shooting. Its either a GOOD Shoot or its NOT.

Lets start with were you legally there?
Did you recognize a THREAT that you can articulate to someone after the incident?
Was it a Threat to you or someone else?
Can you leave AND is a Right decision to leave without engaging the Threat?
Can you de-escalate the Threat (without endangering yourself)?

Trust me (or not) but a modified magazine safety in a gun wont be an issue in a GOOD Shoot, even in a BLUE state.

Source your opinions. Most cops havent been to Law School or even studied the LAW. They tell you what someone else told them.
 
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PieterCoetzee said:
OK buddy do what works for you.

Youll get a lot of opinions choose the ones that work for you. As for me Im pretty confident in my statements. I generally think theres too much "What If" fears about self defense shooting. Its either a GOOD Shoot or its NOT.

Lets start with were you legally there?
Did you recognize a THREAT that you can articulate to someone after the incident?
Was it a Threat to you or someone else?
Can you leave AND is a Right decision to leave without engaging the Threat?
Can you de-escalate the Threat (without endangering yourself)?

Trust me (or not) but a modified magazine safety in a gun wont be an issue in a GOOD Shoot, even in a BLUE state.

Source your opinions. Most cops havent been to Law School or even studied the LAW. They tell you what someone else told them.
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yeah, scare tactics or not, i'd not be a willing participant in removing anything from a firearm, that was designed to work with it, and to get by state gun law mandates, such as in the state of Commiefornia (where i do not live), but others (here) do, and have to abide by those laws.


i don't have to source my opinions, as they are...my opinions.

i "go by" what i have seen on some very good gun experts videos, about guns, laws, and what the prosecutors are looking for to nail people for anything possible.

i do however Listen to this guy........good or bad, some may not like him......


Firearms expert and lethal force instructor Massad Ayoob strongly advises against removing any built-in safety device, including a magazine disconnect. From a legal and tactical standpoint, disabling factory safeties creates severe liability risks and introduces operational disadvantages. [1, 2, 3]
Why Ayoob Advises Against Removal
  • Legal Liability: In a self-defense shooting, removing a mechanical safety provides a prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney with an easy argument that you were reckless, altered the gun's intended design, or wanted a "hair trigger". This can instantly turn a justifiable defense into an expensive, uphill legal battle.
  • Tactical Risk: In a physical struggle, an assailant might accidentally hit your magazine release button. If the magazine drops, a gun with a disconnect becomes a useless paperweight, whereas a gun without it will still fire that vital chambered round to protect your life.
  • Potential "Kill Switch" Benefit: Ayoob has noted that a magazine disconnect can sometimes serve as an emergency tool. If you are overpowered and an attacker is trying to take your weapon, pressing the magazine release essentially disables the firearm, preventing them from using it against you. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The Industry Standard
Major law enforcement agencies, the FBI, and prominent firearms manufacturers (like Ruger) generally do not recommend or allow the removal of these features. Tampering with factory-equipped safety mechanisms goes against standard armorer and legal recommendations. [1, 2, 3]
The Bottom Line
Instead of modifying a self-defense firearm, Ayoob recommends choosing a factory model that matches your functional needs and training heavily with it. For deeper insights into his stances on self-defense modifications, you can read his expert breakdowns in features like The Armory Life. [1]
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Old_Me said:
i don't have to source my opinions, as they are...my opinions.
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Im sorry, I wasnt clear. Perhaps what I should have said, was consider the source.

I mean NO Disrespect to you or the "gun experts" to which you speak. Ayoob also said not to carry a gun with a name because someone could say a "Pit Bull" or "Python" or or or could be said to be a "deadly" name. Its not current. If you carry a gun called the Death Dealer and you have a GOOD shooting, the name doesnt change that.

Yes PDs dont want young officers F-ing with DEPARTMENT guns but thats got nothing to do with you. Just because NYC (and others) has/have a 12 pound trigger doesnt mean YOU have to have a 12LB trigger in YOUR gun if you buy a PD trade in

If you add a better smoother trigger and better sights to YOUR gun, it wont change a GOOD shooting to a bad shooting. Maybe it even makes the shooting better because you shot him in the face and took the fight out of him with the first shot, instead of needing more potentially bad shots to end the fight.

What about swopping for a match grade barrel? OR adding a compensator. Removing the magazine safety doesnt make the gun UNSAFE, it simply means the gun will fire when theres no magazine in the gun, as in while changing mags. It actually makes it safer for you

WORST Case articulate you removed it BECAUSE it makes you vulnerable when changing mags.
 
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PieterCoetzee said:
"What If" fears about self defense shooting. Its either a GOOD Shoot or its NOT.

Lets start with were you legally there?
Did you recognize a THREAT that you can articulate to someone after the incident?
Was it a Threat to you or someone else?
Can you leave AND is a Right decision to leave without engaging the Threat?
Can you de-escalate the Threat (without endangering yourself)?
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Agree. Know your State requirements and act accordingly. If the laws were followed I can't see a removed mag safety being an issue since your shot/shots weren't negligent. If it was an issue for me I would probably send it to SA
 
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