How far down the rabbit hole do we want to go?
Is liberty safe with Liberty Safe?
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HayesGreener
Ronin
I have seen a safe that was opened by force pursuant to a warrant. There was nothing left but scrap metal. If LE have a warrant they are going to get in one way or another. Most agencies have policies nowadays to avoid destroying property to the extent possible. I understand why they would want the passcode.
Intelligence agencies, ours and theirs, have agents who have been through locksmith training. There is no lock that cannot be defeated to my knowledge. Safes are rated to exposure times, to fire and to how long it takes a pro to crack it.
I recall some genius developed a lock that used no key cylinder and no key opening but had a magnetic key that opened the lock. They claimed it could not be picked. The Air Force bought some of them for securing highly classified containers. Our agents demonstrated you could whack the lock with a mallet and it would pop open. All locks can be defeated.
People lose combinations. The safe companies know this and have workarounds for getting in without destroying things.
Intelligence agencies, ours and theirs, have agents who have been through locksmith training. There is no lock that cannot be defeated to my knowledge. Safes are rated to exposure times, to fire and to how long it takes a pro to crack it.
I recall some genius developed a lock that used no key cylinder and no key opening but had a magnetic key that opened the lock. They claimed it could not be picked. The Air Force bought some of them for securing highly classified containers. Our agents demonstrated you could whack the lock with a mallet and it would pop open. All locks can be defeated.
People lose combinations. The safe companies know this and have workarounds for getting in without destroying things.
Bassbob
Emissary
I linked the article 3 posts ago.
Sorry, I'm not the most observant at 4am...
HansGruber
Ronin
Republicans brought it to the floor.
If Republicans were truly in favor of liberty & rights—as lots of folks here believe—they wouldn’t have voted for it.
Bassbob
Emissary
I do not contend that they are. At least not the establishment republicans. But neither are the democrats.
powerboatr
Professional
HayesGreener
Ronin
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Annihilator
Emissary
I read now Liberty will get rid of your admin code if you fill out a form, also if your registering a new one you can also opt out, do they really think people are that naive to think that Liberty is actually going to do it, not me.
Area52
Professional
Here’s the deal;
The subject of the warrants was likely given an option either open it or we take it and damage ensues. He was likely informed that a search was going to be conducted after his arrest.
It’s the ‘just in case’ or put the heat on anyone that got in the way of the getting code beforehand just to open it without further delays and destruction, basically just to avoid carrying the vault back to the field office, and maybe inventory of everything inside that may not be evidentiary.
As for Liberty, maybe a boneheaded mistake to just hand over the unlock code and if they ever consulted their attorney. Civil matter for them now, but maybe avoided other bureau scrutiny.
That’s how the new DOJ rolls.
The subject of the warrants was likely given an option either open it or we take it and damage ensues. He was likely informed that a search was going to be conducted after his arrest.
It’s the ‘just in case’ or put the heat on anyone that got in the way of the getting code beforehand just to open it without further delays and destruction, basically just to avoid carrying the vault back to the field office, and maybe inventory of everything inside that may not be evidentiary.
As for Liberty, maybe a boneheaded mistake to just hand over the unlock code and if they ever consulted their attorney. Civil matter for them now, but maybe avoided other bureau scrutiny.
That’s how the new DOJ rolls.
powerboatr
Professional
moral of story
dont do stuff that gets you in hot water enough to warrant ....a warrant to search you chiiit
or keep your stuff you dont want leo s to find in a safe on your property, thats why neighbors have mobile homes on concrete pads so you can hide lock boxes under their house disguised as sewer lift station
dont do stuff that gets you in hot water enough to warrant ....a warrant to search you chiiit
or keep your stuff you dont want leo s to find in a safe on your property, thats why neighbors have mobile homes on concrete pads so you can hide lock boxes under their house disguised as sewer lift station
Belt Fed
Ronin
i don't care who ya are. That's funny right there.
A forum member on another firearm site did a bit of research on the owners of Liberty.
"Liberty Safe was sold to Monomoy Capital Partners in 2021, a liberal East Coast investment firm. I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats like: Raphael Warnock in GA John Fetterman in PA Mandela Barnes in WI Mark Kelly in AZ Liberty Safe’s current CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, was a founding partner of Monomoy and donated $4,600 to Obama for America."
As I see it, Monomoy is using the profits from firearm owners who by a Liberty safe to elect individuals
that have questionable second amendment intentions.
"Liberty Safe was sold to Monomoy Capital Partners in 2021, a liberal East Coast investment firm. I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats like: Raphael Warnock in GA John Fetterman in PA Mandela Barnes in WI Mark Kelly in AZ Liberty Safe’s current CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, was a founding partner of Monomoy and donated $4,600 to Obama for America."
As I see it, Monomoy is using the profits from firearm owners who by a Liberty safe to elect individuals
that have questionable second amendment intentions.
Annihilator
Emissary
Well after all this, I got ahold of my locksmith friend from when I worked at my sheriff dept, I’m replacing the Liberty safe lock with a S&G lock, not from Liberty either
Swapping a gun safe lock is really easy to do for most gun safes. The factory locks for most common gun safes are typically crap anyway.
Bassbob
Emissary
Really ? That's the moral of the story ?moral of story
dont do stuff that gets you in hot water enough to warrant ....a warrant to search you chiiit
or keep your stuff you dont want leo s to find in a safe on your property, thats why neighbors have mobile homes on concrete pads so you can hide lock boxes under their house disguised as sewer lift station
Patriot Act is fine, illegal wiretapping and tracking your phone too right. Don't do anything wrong you got nothing to worry about eh ?
powerboatr
Professional
i was trying to be funny
who knows why they needed a look
i have never said patriot act is good or evil
i have been in clink a week for not doing anything, because cops cant read. not guilty people get caught up in crap all the time
i will add
we ...as in US here really have no idea why the guy got in the hot seat and the leo needed a warrant to gain access and look inside the safe. to many details are missing.
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Bassbob
Emissary
My apologies. I am glad you were joking. For the record, the comment about The Patriot Act wasn't referencing anything you said. It was an analogy. The Patriot Act is a well known and universally accepted, steaming pile of unconstitutional
.They needed a look because orange man bad. Insurrection, insurrection. Stupidest damn insurrection I ever saw. Not a single firearm. Election deniers, election deniers. Never mind the cruise ship full of democrats who denied the election Hillary lost to the bad orange man. "Widely debunked false claims of voter fraud in key states". That was a headline I read today on NBC. Never mind that the only people who debunked it are people who have an unhealthy hatred of Trump. Since there never was any investigation and all the court cases were thrown out on standing.
Sorry for the irrelevant rant. Like I said, my apologies.