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Jelly Roll wants his rights restored, especially 2nd Amendment. What say you?

last2brake said:
This restoration of gun rights would end up being a case-by-case decision, and we do not have the capability to widely judge this consistently. We obviously don't have a level playing field.

We can't even prosecute cases consistently
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That's one of the reasons why I don't think there should be any "process." It should be automatic. Not in jail/prison, not on probation/parole, you have gun rights. Easy peasy.

But, again, just my opinion
 
Jfal said:
While not a friend, I went to high school with a guy who got convicted of felonious possession of a very small amount of cocaine at 18YO. Paid his price to society, grew up and matured. At age 40 he was married, had a couple teenagers, and could not take them deer hunting. Seemed a punishment unfit in his situation.
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Similar situation with a guy I know. Way back 1980s, he actually ran with my brother & both chose the criminal path & both did some time. While my brother did get better, he didn't keep out of trouble near as well as his buddy who went 100% good. As he got older & had family, same situation, wanted to be able to teach his kids firearms safety & hunting, but could not due to felony record. Finally got a lawyer, but even that didn't work. He wait another year or two, & then tried again, this time representing himself, & the governor (Oklahoma) signed off on clearing his record. This was some years ago & now his kids are grown & he is still doing well, except for age related issues that catch most of us.
 
A law says they can't have/participate in certain freedoms. The law/rules seem to have no meaning currently and yet some wonder what the Hell is wrong. If you feel those items should be restored petition your elected officials. I imagine the people he robbed at gunpoint are extremely happy and proud for him.
 
southtex said:
A law says they can't have/participate in certain freedoms. The law/rules seem to have no meaning currently and yet some wonder what the Hell is wrong. If you feel those items should be restored petition your elected officials. I imagine the people he robbed at gunpoint are extremely happy and proud for him.
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Personally, I don't feel those freedoms should have to be restored. I don't think they should ever be removed. I also believe that we should have much stiffer penalties in the first place.
 
PAGunGuy said:
Personally, I don't feel those freedoms should have to be restored. I don't think they should ever be removed. I also believe that we should have much stiffer penalties in the first place.
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I agree with the much harsher penalties for behavior. The not losing certain freedoms upon conviction after serving full sentence I can get on that bus. However he was not wrongfully convicted and currently the law says he will lose those freedoms so he should not get them back.
 
southtex said:
I agree with the much harsher penalties for behavior. The not losing certain freedoms upon conviction after serving full sentence I can get on that bus. However he was not wrongfully convicted and currently the law says he will lose those freedoms so he should not get them back.
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Our courts tend to be a one size fits all and either draconian or slap on the wrist solution, depending on location. I feel that Jelly Roll has been rehabilitated, which is more a personal thing than a byproduct of the system. The system is more likely to break people and make them worse than rehabilitate, which is absolutely counterproductive and is more of a feature than a bug. Prison is nothing more than criminal college to make better criminals, with a focus merely on punishment and not rehabilitation (though some cannot be rehabilitated, and that is why I believe in the death penalty.)

On another note, the FBI has actually been stopping attacks lately, which I find to be rather interesting, since that is unusual for them historically, and that I feel that they let things happen prior to the Trump Administration in order to push a civilian disarmament agenda. The whole “on the radar” thing hasn’t been mentioned and they have been doing an outstanding job lately at, well, doing their jobs and stopping threats before they act.
 
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I posted this on the other thread as well:

I like Jelly rolls voice and music. Can’t lie. He has talent.
He is repentent in words, but is it true or is it just for his fans- career.
Cant say.
He did the crime. Served his time. Got his freedom, but I think his right to bear arms was lost serving over 40 stints in incarceration.
 
southtex said:
I agree with the much harsher penalties for behavior. The not losing certain freedoms upon conviction after serving full sentence I can get on that bus. However he was not wrongfully convicted and currently the law says he will lose those freedoms so he should not get them back.
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An unjust law shall not be followed.
The Nazis were just following orders and that wasn't a defense. And we all know how corrupt and error filled the system is. And I am not even talking about things like "institutional racism", which, I don't believe is a real thing. But I am talking about corrupt cops, or cops on a ego trip that just think they are right. I am talking about over zealous DA's that are just in it for the glory and politic. But even if someone is actually, 100% guilty, if they are safe enough to be freed form prison, then there is no reason they shouldn't have full rights
 
GPS said:
Our courts tend to be a one size fits all and either draconian or slap on the wrist solution, depending on location. I feel that Jelly Roll has been rehabilitated, which is more a personal thing than a byproduct of the system. The system is more likely to break people and make them worse than rehabilitate, which is absolutely counterproductive and is more of a feature than a bug. Prison is nothing more than criminal college to make better criminals, with a focus merely on punishment and not rehabilitation (though some cannot be rehabilitated, and that is why I believe in the death penalty.)
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I don't know about all prisons, but I know if PA it is definitely geared towards rehabilitation. There are many classes geared toward becoming better citizens. They are also offered all types of educational and trade training opportunities. And they are afforded opportunities to get their ducks in a row before they are released. Unfortunately, many don't take advantage of these opportunities. Or, if they do, it's just enough to get paroled.
 
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