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Dobbinsky said:
Damn, that really frosts my pumpkin; all those ant-gun state fees, classes, declared "assault" and weapon bans. They make more money with all of this than if they were pro-gun. Their focus is on income, not weapons.
Ooops... sorry, not on topic. Grrrrrrrr.
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It's not the State making most of the money .

On my turf , an initial Permit is typically $500 ‐ ish all in , the State gets $125 directly , and $10 indirectly . The rest is spent on the private sector , to fulfill the mandated requirements .

The big expense is the 16 hr class . Both in the $ directly , and 2 days out of your life that otherwise could have been working , or family responsibilities , or doing volunteer , community , church , or whatever important you would otherwise be doing .

Mainstream "training " costs are $275 ‐ $400 . ( Done on a rational business . Occasionally done by 2A True Believers , essentisally Pro Bono . Still takes about $175 charge to break even .

The State Legislsture prioritizes making it difficult and expensive for Applicants , not maximizing revenues .
 
Biggfoot44 said:
It's not the State making most of the money .

On my turf , an initial Permit is typically $500 ‐ ish all in , the State gets $125 directly , and $10 indirectly . The rest is spent on the private sector , to fulfill the mandated requirements .

The big expense is the 16 hr class . Both in the $ directly , and 2 days out of your life that otherwise could have been working , or family responsibilities , or doing volunteer , community , church , or whatever important you would otherwise be doing .

Mainstream "training " costs are $275 ‐ $400 . ( Done on a rational business . Occasionally done by 2A True Believers , essentisally Pro Bono . Still takes about $175 charge to break even .

The State Legislsture prioritizes making it difficult and expensive for Applicants , not maximizing revenues .
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I imagine you’re talking about the lovely state of Illinois that is ruled by a king of the buffet line.

The 16 hour class I did had about 4 or 5 of us. The instructor said it was the smallest class he had in a while. Truthfully it was fun but also at the same time I’m happy it’s behind me. I will have to look at taking time off of work for the renewal process of 3 hours.
 
Jsimon78 said:
I imagine you’re talking about the lovely state of Illinois that is ruled by a king of the buffet line.

The 16 hour class I did had about 4 or 5 of us. The instructor said it was the smallest class he had in a while. Truthfully it was fun but also at the same time I’m happy it’s behind me. I will have to look at taking time off of work for the renewal process of 3 hours.
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So you periodically must return for a refresher?
 
USMC6095 said:
So you periodically must return for a refresher?
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Yes we do have to reup every 5 years. If we move we have to put in a change of address . That costs $80.00 , $75 for the carry license and $5 for the FOID card.

The 5 year renewal will cost at least $50.00 for the training and another $150.00 for the carry license. Plus a small fee for letting us submit the application online. Oh , did I tell you there is no other way TO submit the app. 🤬
 
papa said:
Yes we do have to reup every 5 years. If we move we have to put in a change of address . That costs $80.00 , $75 for the carry license and $5 for the FOID card.

The 5 year renewal will cost at least $50.00 for the training and another $150.00 for the carry license. Plus a small fee for letting us submit the application online. Oh , did I tell you there is no other way TO submit the app. 🤬
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I got a hack for you if you ever forget your piece of plastic (yes I went through it).
 
I just went to Range Usaa at lunch to run a quick box through an Echelon to see if I want to buy one. While signing the waiver I noticed that in order to shoot you had to produce your FOID card if in IL. WTH?
 
USMC6095 said:
I was strictly an airframer but was part of the engine change team if we lost an engine away from base. Home base was MCAS Cherry Point and I was with VMA-542. When we did lose an engine I helped both hydraulics shop and powerline do their part as well. It was normally just an 8 to 10 man team that they sent out. Still know nothing about hydraulics just did what they told me to do.
I looked up 314. Not sure when you were in so were they at Miramar or El Toro? I spent my first couple months out of boot camp at El Toro working for H&MS-11 (I think that is right) at El Toro in the Corrosion Control department waiting for my school to open up in Millington.
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I was at Miramar from 98 to early 01. I was in MALS-11s hydraulic shop, got augmented to 314 for my first deployment.
I grew up in Havelock, only came to Cherry Point once, in either of my enlistments, and that was for NALCOMIS school when I was stationed at Beaufort.
I didn't get to Harrier work until I came to be a Depot level gearbox builder. Spent 10 of the last twelve years overhauling the Pegasus accessory gearbox.
Now I build subcomponents for the 53s T64 engine.
 
USMC6094 said:
I was at Miramar from 98 to early 01. I was in MALS-11s hydraulic shop, got augmented to 314 for my first deployment.
I grew up in Havelock, only came to Cherry Point once, in either of my enlistments, and that was for NALCOMIS school when I was stationed at Beaufort.
I didn't get to Harrier work until I came to be a Depot level gearbox builder. Spent 10 of the last twelve years overhauling the Pegasus accessory gearbox.
Now I build subcomponents for the 53s T64 engine.
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Cool story. I was in during the transition from the AV8A to the AV8B. Did you do depot work at Cherry Point? I understand it is called Naval Aviation Depot now but we always knew it as NARF, Naval Aviation Rework Facility.
 
USMC6095 said:
Cool story. I was in during the transition from the AV8A to the AV8B. Did you do depot work at Cherry Point? I understand it is called Naval Aviation Depot now but we always knew it as NARF, Naval Aviation Rework Facility.
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I work there now, lol, and now it's called FRC East (Fleet Readiness Center). Been there since 2014.

If you were there for the change over from the aluminum, to the composite Harrier, I think you might know a really good friend of mine who there for it too.
 
USMC6094 said:
I work there now, lol, and now it's called FRC East (Fleet Readiness Center). Been there since 2014.

If you were there for the change over from the aluminum, to the composite Harrier, I think you might know a really good friend of mine who there for it too.
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One of my old roommates retired from there last week. Know a guy named Reaves?
 
USMC6095 said:
So you periodically must return for a refresher?
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" Renewal Class " , 8 hr . Class structure ( i.e. Seperate class of Renewals only vs restucture the 16 hr class , such that Renewal students attend 1 day of the 2 day Initial class ) still being worked out by the marketplace .

$75 application fee .

Initial Permit good for 2 years plus , subsequent Permits 3 years .
 
Biggfoot44 said:
" Renewal Class " , 8 hr . Class structure ( i.e. Seperate class of Renewals only vs restucture the 16 hr class , such that Renewal students attend 1 day of the 2 day Initial class ) still being worked out by the marketplace .

$75 application fee .

Initial Permit good for 2 years plus , subsequent Permits 3 years .
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The first part sounded like Illinois till this point. This is where Illinois is a little more lenient. Sorry if I did some jumping.
 
I believe I saw/know on which forum you posted, and yes, I was surprised at some of the responses there.

It seems to be a controversial topic.

Me, personally, I freshen my Colt Agent ammo when we adjust our clocks. It’s just a habit now after having done it for 20-plus years.

Affordability of ammo for my Agent doesn’t really enter my mind, as we’re talking 12 rounds a year.
 
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