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Review: Springfield Hellcat .380 ACP

I’m doing a hard pass on the HC in .380. It’s just too small for my fat hands. Now if I wasn’t the chunky 6’ guy that throws 55 pounds of animal feed around for a living then I might be interested (even my HCP seems to not get enough attention either). Yes it has its place for people out there that can’t handle recoil like I can or hide a compact 9/.40/10. I will say choices matter for people.
 
They did not down size the Hellcat (I wish they would as its a great gun) This is just a less recoil option it is the same size! Can we get one 4.5 or less? The Spectrum was a great pocket gun but they did not work well. Build one that size the have it work and I am IN!
 
ChanceMcCall said:
I used to carry five guns when working.
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Hat's off , maybe .

I rarely carried more than three .
Primary & J Frame on ankle were fixtures . The ( numerical ) third variously were either another J Frame , or a full size or full size -ish .

* To Me * , l figured if l was in deep enough to go thru those two or three , what l needed then was Bigger , not smaller still . Like a shotgun .
 
Lab4Us said:
Not sure I’d call a $55 clip to attach a magazine to your pocket “advanced marketing”? I find it easier (and much cheaper) to just not carry anything, except said magazine, in one of my left pockets…
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All marketing is the pursuit of creating a need in as many consumers as possible, convincing them they need whatever it is the company is selling. I get the idea behind a mag pouch (which sounds vaguely marsupial) and even have a NeoMag clip (which was less than $55), but haven't used it much because the clip is very stiff and it's hard to get into place. Like you, if I choose to carry an extra mag, it goes into the off-hand pocket. If I'm in a gunfight where 15+1 isn't enough, I have bigger problems that not having a mag pouch.
 
ChanceMcCall said:
I would like to buy a LCP Custom but can't seem to find one even on Gun Broker.
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Biggfoot44 said:
Hat's off , maybe .

I rarely carried more than three .
Primary & J Frame on ankle were fixtures . The ( numerical ) third variously were either another J Frame , or a full size or full size -ish .

* To Me * , l figured if l was in deep enough to go thru those two or three , what l needed then was Bigger , not smaller still . Like a shotgun .
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Mas Ayoob has told me he has carried as many as 13 firearms on the job. :eek: That beats anyone else I've known of. Two of my guns were very small. A Seecamp .25ACP, and a Freedom Arms .22LR ( now a North American Arms .22LR) which were intended not to be found when patted down. :cool:

I am 100% in agreement with a 12 gauge when circumstances allow. :love:
 
There are no standards for "naming" the sizes of semi-auto standards in the industry.

One company cane call their product a "micro" willy nilly as a marketing ploy. Then as another marketing ploy they start making it bigger with add-ons and/or slight frame size changes, and still call it a micro. :rolleyes:

A double-stack mag handgun that's just a bit smaller than a G19 is really a sub-compact.

My .02
 
Talyn said:
There are no standards for "naming" the sizes of semi-auto standards in the industry.

One company cane call their product a "micro" willy nilly as a marketing ploy. Then as another marketing ploy they start making it bigger with add-ons and/or slight frame size changes, and still call it a micro. :rolleyes:

A double-stack mag handgun that's just a bit smaller than a G19 is really a sub-compact.

My .02
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Sub-compacts traditionally are shortened compacts. Like G19 - G26.
 
deadduck357 said:
Try putting a 9mm Hellcat magazine into a 380 Hellcat.
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You can’t they are different, the 380 mag is too short front to back to fill the 9 frame. The 9 mag is to long to fit in the grip of the 380 frame.

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Talyn said:
Case in point...

This manufacturer calls their pistol which has, in general, the same dimensional and capacity features of the original "Hellcat", a Subcompact, whereas SA calls the Hellcat a micro.

athlonoutdoors.com

All New RM1S Subcompact by Rost Martin

Athlon Outdoors Exclusive Firearm Updates, Reviews & News
athlonoutdoors.com athlonoutdoors.com

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The bottom-line it's all about marketing.
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Just looking at that, the Rost Martin looked bigger (longer) than the Hellcat. I thought it looked as long as my Hellcat with the compensator attached. So I looked them up on Handgun Hero and it appears the Rost Martin is almost 3/4 inch longer. Hellcat IS smaller than this Rost Martin.

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Talyn said:
Case in point...

This manufacturer calls their pistol which has, in general, the same dimensional and capacity features of the original "Hellcat", a Subcompact, whereas SA calls the Hellcat a micro.

athlonoutdoors.com

All New RM1S Subcompact by Rost Martin

Athlon Outdoors Exclusive Firearm Updates, Reviews & News
athlonoutdoors.com athlonoutdoors.com

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The bottom-line it's all about marketing.
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The RM1S is the 'sub-compact' version of the RM1C (compact. It is slim for a sub-compact. I believe that "Micro Compacts" are for pistols 1" width or less. Just my observation.
 
Talyn said:
There are no standards for "naming" the sizes of semi-auto standards in the industry.

One company cane call their product a "micro" willy nilly as a marketing ploy. Then as another marketing ploy they start making it bigger with add-ons and/or slight frame size changes, and still call it a micro. :rolleyes:

A double-stack mag handgun that's just a bit smaller than a G19 is really a sub-compact.

My .02
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Well , there * usta be * mostly recognized guidelines . But buying / using tastes have changed over time .

5 inch , or close to it used to be Full Size . Compact used to be +/- 4 inch , with slightly shorter butt .

But nowadays , the previous Compact is now the norm for Duty Guns ( / Belt Guns ) .

Subcompact used to be +/- 3.5 inch , with butt chopping as much shorter than Compact , as Compact was shortened from Full Size .

Then with advances in material science and gun design , there were Really Small guns . And it became all jumbled what was Subcompact , and what was Micro .

* To Me * , l look at two criteria :

Is it small enough to be quasi plausable to fit in a normal pants pocket ?

Is it big enough to have a decent grip ( grasp) on the handle , such to be plausable as a " real gun " .

* For Me * , with my XXXL Hands , there are a buncha guns that fall into the no man's land gap . To where it's to big to pocket , but it's a hard to shoot well belt gun .
 
Biggfoot44 said:
Well , there * usta be * mostly recognized guidelines . But buying / using tastes have changed over time .

5 inch , or close to it used to be Full Size . Compact used to be +/- 4 inch , with slightly shorter butt .

But nowadays , the previous Compact is now the norm for Duty Guns ( / Belt Guns ) .

Subcompact used to be +/- 3.5 inch , with butt chopping as much shorter than Compact , as Compact was shortened from Full Size .

Then with advances in material science and gun design , there were Really Small guns . And it became all jumbled what was Subcompact , and what was Micro .

* To Me * , l look at two criteria :

Is it small enough to be quasi plausable to fit in a normal pants pocket ?

Is it big enough to have a decent grip ( grasp) on the handle , such to be plausable as a " real gun " .

* For Me * , with my XXXL Hands , there are a buncha guns that fall into the no man's land gap . To where it's to big to pocket , but it's a hard to shoot well belt gun .
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I wish the full size went back to 5”. Just kinda bits where compact is 1/4” shorter than a full size.
 
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