Short barreled non NFA rifle.

[Belt Fed]

Think it has straight grooves instead of spiral rifling. either was it's a NON NFA item.

Antithesis

franklinarmory.com

 

[Belt Fed]

Ok i looked a little harder and you have to have these things, kinda kills it for me

Antithesis™ Multiple Projectile Assemblies

Franklin Armory is a California & Nevada quality based AR-15 manufacturer. We offer quality, reliable firearms for civilians, law enforcement, & military agencies

franklinarmory.com

 

[TEXASforLIFE]

I can't say for sure what it is, but ut did say/state rifled.

 

[deadduck357]

The NFA is unconstitutional.

 

[Sld1959]

The NFA is unconstitutional.

Yep, perhaps, but until its successfully appealed and struck down by the courts, your jail time for breaking it is as real as any other.

 

[Belt Fed]

I really don't see this thing going anywhere, most people are not buying that plastic stuff to put bullets in. not a whole lot of information out there on how this thing works. but those plastic casing are 20 bucks for 10. i don't know if they are re usable or not. it's a no go for me.

 

[Sld1959]

I really don't see this thing going anywhere, most people are not buying that plastic stuff to put bullets in. not a whole lot of information out there on how this thing works. but those plastic casing are 20 bucks for 10. i don't know if they are re usable or not. it's a no go for me.

That was my first thought expensive toy right now.

 

[Belt Fed]

That was my first thought expensive toy right now.

Yep and the gun itself is not cheap either. you can buy a much better pistol and make it an SBR for a lot cheaper even with the tax stamp. the registration and not wanting the ATF to have my information is nothing to me as they have had it for many years now. lol

 

[Recusant]

It’s legal now until after many have been sold and an ATF under a new administration decides these are contraband.

 

[Shibadog]

Exactly “why” is it legal? ( let’s ignore the whole NFA is/isnt thing). What makes this a firearm not covered by law? I didn’t see anything except Franklin saying it’s legal

 

[deadduck357]

Yep, perhaps, but until its successfully appealed and struck down by the courts, your jail time for breaking it is as real as any other.

Yep

 

[deadduck357]

Exactly “why” is it legal? ( let’s ignore the whole NFA is/isnt thing). What makes this a firearm not covered by law? I didn’t see anything except Franklin saying it’s legal

One of the vids I saw about it on Utube FA showed a letter from ATF.

 

[xdman]

Exactly “why” is it legal? ( let’s ignore the whole NFA is/isnt thing). What makes this a firearm not covered by law? I didn’t see anything except Franklin saying it’s legal

They actually won the court case, and appeals, then Trumps DOJ settled agreeing with the district court that the decision was correct according to the Franklin Armory video.

 

[Shibadog]

I mean, unless it’s a BB gun or airsoft why isn’t it a firearm? And if a firearm, why not under federal law? Just curious, The only firearms I’m aware of that do not fall under federal law restriction are black powder ml’s.

 

[Belt Fed]

The ATF musta shut this down, they are no longer offered on the website. even the videos are gone.

 

[deadduck357]

The ATF musta shut this down, they are no longer offered on the website. even the videos are gone.

Yep, ATF going after them.

 

[ddeuce22]

Yep, ATF going after them.

Yep. Basically ATF said it only applies to the .410 / .45 LC model. Which SO typical ATF.

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/s/fiMoHtVIrB

 

[Echelon Driver]

I’m mixed on this truly.

Maybe it was bad council but I’d like to see the next ATF letter, if there is one that caused them to pull that stuff down.

Chess match, or running with the first victory I don’t know. I’d tend to think it’s all part of the chess match.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Exactly “why” is it legal? ( let’s ignore the whole NFA is/isnt thing). What makes this a firearm not covered by law? I didn’t see anything except Franklin saying it’s legal

ATF Letter on two different grounds :

1. Normal Rifling , but " designed " to use both solid bullet And Shot .

2. Straight lands & grooves , with Zero Twist , is Neither Rifle nor Shotgun .



UPDATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday ( 9/ 19/ 25 ) AYF Clarified that the ruling on Point #1 only applies to .45 Colt / .410 , as in the submitted sample , and NOT to other calibers .

Point #2 about non twisting lands & grooves remains unchanged .

 

[Shibadog]

You knew ATF wasn’t going to let that pass, it would open WAY too many doors….