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Smaller Guns for Defense?

Biggfoot44 said:
Yes , that's the counter argument .

But all the factors looking at these from the opposite perspective :

Somewhat bigger than Origonal configuration P365 can still be plenty small & light for discrete carry .

Close to the accuracy and control that the legions of .22LR true believers swear by , with way more " umphh " than any .22LR .

With the velocity from a normal ( non micro) Bbl length , with the higher velocity , combined with higher sectional density of the 71gr bullet , the .32acp will overcome the shallow penetration of the .380 .

IF you place any credence in examination of Real World results , bullet type for bullet type , the .32acp is very close to results of .380 . ( Take that as you will , regarding how much is my liking .32 vs slamming on the .380 .)

(Yeah , l'm vulnerable to charges of hypocracy , but in my mind l compartmentalize .

Yes , best practices is to carry a full size -ish real handgun , in a major caliber , and Dress Around the Gun .

But IF , you are going to drop below a .38 Spl +P , but want signifigantly more than .22LR , a mid sized .32 is definately a viable option . )
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This is precisely why I snagged the Bersa Thunder .32 when I could. Lipseys imported a limited number of these from Argentina, and snatched one up as soon as I could.

I have a Manhurin (French) Walther PP that is immaculate. It has the original (look up the pistol Bond was issued in the 1962 picture, "Doctor No"). If you inspect it closely, you'll see it was the Walther PP. It has a "cool" vibe to it as much as does the later Walther PPK. The 4/10 of an inch longer barrel makes it that much easier to shoot.
 
Captain O said:
This is precisely why I snagged the Bersa Thunder .32 when I could. Lipseys imported a limited number of these from Argentina, and snatched one up as soon as I could.

I have a Manhurin (French) Walther PP that is immaculate. It has the original (look up the pistol Bond was issued in the 1962 picture, "Doctor No"). If you inspect it closely, you'll see it was the Walther PP. It has a "cool" vibe to it as much as does the later Walther PPK. The 4/10 of an inch longer barrel makes it that much easier to shoot.
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I have the FEG P32 .

Essentally a Hungarian clone of a PP . Also made with steel , mine is the alloy frame . I don't know if l'm just lucky , on previous owner had done some trigger work , but it's better than a stock Manhuren .

I almost didn't mention it ,because l didn't want to tease people . A small ish batch of P32 and more common P380 were imported in the '80s , and l bought it used in early '90s . But l haven't seen one for many years .
 
Biggfoot44 said:
I have the FEG P32 .

Essentally a Hungarian clone of a PP . Also made with steel , mine is the alloy frame . I don't know if l'm just lucky , on previous owner had done some trigger work , but it's better than a stock Manhuren .

I almost didn't mention it ,because l didn't want to tease people . A small ish batch of P32 and more common P380 were imported in the '80s , and l bought it used in early '90s . But l haven't seen one for many years .
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I know that the 7.65mm Browning (the European-level loads) are far better than people think. The 73-grain Fiocchi FMJ closely resembles what the European loads can, and will, accomplish.

The Beretta 80X in .32 ACP is still available. At least one manufacturer understands the potential of the "little .32".
 
Biggfoot44 said:
I have the FEG P32 .

Essentally a Hungarian clone of a PP . Also made with steel , mine is the alloy frame . I don't know if l'm just lucky , on previous owner had done some trigger work , but it's better than a stock Manhuren .

I almost didn't mention it ,because l didn't want to tease people . A small ish batch of P32 and more common P380 were imported in the '80s , and l bought it used in early '90s . But l haven't seen one for many years .
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No problems with a A63 for me. Good trigger pull, good cartridge, and easy to handle…
 
Captain O said:
I know that the 7.65mm Browning (the European-level loads) are far better than people think. The 73-grain Fiocchi FMJ closely resembles what the European loads can, and will, accomplish.

The Beretta 80X in .32 ACP is still available. At least one manufacturer understands the potential of the "little .32".
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Ortgies, MAB D, PP, plus a few. .32 auto works for me…
 
Captain O said:
I know that the 7.65mm Browning (the European-level loads) are far better than people think. The 73-grain Fiocchi FMJ closely resembles what the European loads can, and will, accomplish.

The Beretta 80X in .32 ACP is still available. At least one manufacturer understands the potential of the "little .32".
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The testing protocols are slightly different , but SAAMI is 20,500 psi w/ .312 projectile , CIP is 23,200 psi w/ .309 projectile .
 
Biggfoot44 said:
The testing protocols are slightly different , but SAAMI is 20,500 psi w/ .312 projectile , CIP is 23,200 psi w/ .309 projectile .
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I know this. If the CIP formula is used, you may obtain performance on par with the .32 H&R Magnum (at +p pressures).
This shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

Many American shooters are ignorant of these facts and dismiss the round as "weak" and "inefficient". Nothing could be further from the truth. John Moses Browning created the 7.65mm Browning cartridge five years before developing the .45 ACP. If you study the 7.65mm cartridge carefully, you will realize the man's true genius.

Again, this is a case of where we should be going "back to the future".
 
Guys theres a place for 32acp. I have a few tiny 32s (Seecamp, Guardian, PPK) and a VZ61 sadly only semi but SBRd. They all have a role. I cant imagine carrying a tiny 32 when I could carry a subcompact 9mm; but your choice is yours.

Can you make a 32 work, yes sure; but short of a ultra concealable issue, where even subcompact 9s will work in MOST cases.

AGAIN you choice is yours
 
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