Certified Silly Goose
Master Class
I have mixed feelings. I like carrying condition 1 when it's on my hip (not pointed at the jewels) or in my pocket, but this is the first professional I've seen advocate for condition 3.
What do you guys think of this CCW lesson?
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Certified Silly Goose
Master Class
Not really. I've always understood "professional" to mean "you get paid to do it".
Bassbob
Emissary
Then I am a professional at a ridiculous number of things.
Certified Silly Goose
Master Class
I should've clarified that you get paid for it "and you do it basically for a living"
And I have never equated professional with "good at it". Massachusetts state troopers are all professional, but most of them suck at their jobs.
Certified Silly Goose
Master Class
There we go! Bingo.Lenny is a professional Glock salesman.
Wirenut
Ronin
As with any profession, you can graduate last in your class and still be considered a "professional"I should've clarified that you get paid for it "and you do it basically for a living"
One thing it does NOT mean is referring to the striker in a 1911
. This guy is a “pro”?
4rchangel
Operator
In my personal opinion, there is only condition 1.
Condition 4 : Would never use this method ... EVER.
Condition 3 : If you don't trust the firearm you are carrying, you either need more training and/or a different firearm.
Condition 2 : Just... no.
Condition 1 : My preferred method. Carry in a proper holster, and train train train...
Condition 0 : Again, just... no.
"Some people" don't like guns with external safeties because they say "you might forget to disengage it" in a stressful situation.
I've never understood that logic myself. Semi-auto handguns have had manual safeties on them since semi-auto handguns were invented. Passive safeties have not been around nearly as long as semi-auto handguns have.
Train with what you carry!
Did we somehow become stupider over the years (I know, I know, some people would argue in the affirmative to that), where we are no longer capable of a simple thing like taking a safety off on the draw? Not if you train with your equipment.
We probably all know "that guy / gal" who carries but has never, EVER actually practiced drawing their gun from their carry rig. (hopefully you aren't that person)
But the time to find out the hammer of your carry gun snags on your shirt or coat, or that your clip on holster will come out with the gun when you draw it, is NOT when you might need it most.
Train!
My apologies for the rant... Off my soapbox now, I'll go stand quietly in my corner...
Condition 4 : Would never use this method ... EVER.
Condition 3 : If you don't trust the firearm you are carrying, you either need more training and/or a different firearm.
Condition 2 : Just... no.
Condition 1 : My preferred method. Carry in a proper holster, and train train train...
Condition 0 : Again, just... no.
"Some people" don't like guns with external safeties because they say "you might forget to disengage it" in a stressful situation.
I've never understood that logic myself. Semi-auto handguns have had manual safeties on them since semi-auto handguns were invented. Passive safeties have not been around nearly as long as semi-auto handguns have.
Train with what you carry!
Did we somehow become stupider over the years (I know, I know, some people would argue in the affirmative to that), where we are no longer capable of a simple thing like taking a safety off on the draw? Not if you train with your equipment.
We probably all know "that guy / gal" who carries but has never, EVER actually practiced drawing their gun from their carry rig. (hopefully you aren't that person)
But the time to find out the hammer of your carry gun snags on your shirt or coat, or that your clip on holster will come out with the gun when you draw it, is NOT when you might need it most.
Train!
My apologies for the rant... Off my soapbox now, I'll go stand quietly in my corner...
In my personal opinion, there is only condition 1.
Condition 4 : Would never use this method ... EVER.
Condition 3 : If you don't trust the firearm you are carrying, you either need more training and/or a different firearm.
Condition 2 : Just... no.
Condition 1 : My preferred method. Carry in a proper holster, and train train train...
Condition 0 : Again, just... no.
"Some people" don't like guns with external safeties because they say "you might forget to disengage it" in a stressful situation.
I've never understood that logic myself. Semi-auto handguns have had manual safeties on them since semi-auto handguns were invented. Passive safeties have not been around nearly as long as semi-auto handguns have.
Train with what you carry!
Did we somehow become stupider over the years (I know, I know, some people would argue in the affirmative to that), where we are no longer capable of a simple thing like taking a safety off on the draw? Not if you train with your equipment.
We probably all know "that guy / gal" who carries but has never, EVER actually practiced drawing their gun from their carry rig. (hopefully you aren't that person)
But the time to find out the hammer of your carry gun snags on your shirt or coat, or that your clip on holster will come out with the gun when you draw it, is NOT when you might need it most.
Train!
My apologies for the rant... Off my soapbox now, I'll go stand quietly in my corner...
preach it brother! I’m firmly in the camp that believes if you’re too dumb to take off a safety you probably have no business with a firearm, but hy, that’s me and I’m old. I’m very comfy cocked and locked, and have been for many decades. I did get a little FN reflex a while back, BUT is does have a manual safety. A lot of them Don’t. Let’s see, a single action hammer fired pistol carried fully cocked with no safety. What could possibly go wrong…
Bassbob
Emissary
Have you ever had to do it while someone was shooting at you ? You don't think it's something that ( here's the caveat) needs to be trained around extensively as part of your draw ? It's not a matter of stupid, it's a matter of whether or not it's muscle memory.
That said, I am firmly in the camp of if you're too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot you have no business with a firearm.
Also no one I know is talking about carrying a SA hammer fired pistol cocked with no safety. That would be stupid.
4rchangel
Operator
To the first question, yes I have. I carried a 1911 and a Browning Hi-Power extensively when I worked plainclothes.Have you ever had to do it while someone was shooting at you ? You don't think it's something that ( here's the caveat) needs to be trained around extensively as part of your draw ? It's not a matter of stupid, it's a matter of whether or not it's muscle memory.
That said, I am firmly in the camp of if you're too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot you have no business with a firearm.
Also no one I know is talking about carrying a SA hammer fired pistol cocked with no safety. That would be stupid.
To the second, ABSOLUTELY!!
I am also firmly, set in stone in the camp of train train train with your equipment.
Whenever I changed equipment whether firearm, holster type, carry location on my body, it was back to train train train until I had it down.
If I were a betting man, I would make a strong argument for people who "forgot" to remove safeties (which I have yet to see an actual account of this happening) being the type of folks who swap to different pistol types on a fairly regular basis. Kind of like the old YouTube video of the guy who shoots himself in the leg because he had switched holster types while shooting on the range. (this guy: Tex Grebner Outdoors)
When I teach a class, I'm sure my students all get sick of me saying ad nauseam : KNOW YOUR EQUIPMENT.
I agree, you simply must train. Under stress you will revert to muscle memory. Doesn’t matter what you are carrying, if you do not train with it, your outcome in a crisis is not likely to be good. And as I said, the FN Reflex model without a manual safety IS a cocked and unlocked SAHave you ever had to do it while someone was shooting at you ? You don't think it's something that ( here's the caveat) needs to be trained around extensively as part of your draw ? It's not a matter of stupid, it's a matter of whether or not it's muscle memory.
That said, I am firmly in the camp of if you're too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot you have no business with a firearm.
Also no one I know is talking about carrying a SA hammer fired pistol cocked with no safety. That would be stupid.
. I like mine (With a safety) a lot, but there is no way I would ever carry one without.
Certified Silly Goose
Master Class
I take it you haven't blown off anything important yet, right? I keep telling people, if you don't touch the damn trigger it won't get loud on ya.