And that is sad. They ruin where they’re at, move, and try to make the new state like the one they left. Local just moved from California talked about high costs, etc, etc, and the how great it was. I said “if it was so great, why’d you leave?’
WTF is happening in New York?
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That's the plan. And it sounds better every day.
And when i leave California, I pray to God I leave newsom behind me forever.
last2brake
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You don't get it. That makes no sense.
People leave California to get AWAY from the state. It makes NO sense to blame THEM. WHY would they want to change something into what they moved to get away FROM.
Your problems are from the people who are already there. Blame THEM for your problems.
eta: I just bought ammo today. I paid almost 20% in taxes. 11% ammo tax and almost 9% sales tax. Who can logically fear that someone would want to move to escape that, and then hope to change it so that they CAN pay it ?
Sorry. Rant over.
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We’ve had several Commifornians and one refuge from NY move into our little community in the last few years. SOME are glad to have escaped but a few complain about “there” then want h”here” to BE like “there. Those are the folks I loose patience with
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HayesGreener
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A common sign seen in rural Florida businesses. "We don't care how you did it up north".We’ve had several Commifornians and one refuge from NY move into our little community in the last few years. SOME are glad to have escaped but a few complain about “there” then want h”here” to BE like “there. Those are the folks I loose patience with
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Oh, yeah. Those east coasters are the worst. (Sarcasm)We’ve had several Commifornians and one refuge from NY move into our little community in the last few years. SOME are glad to have escaped but a few complain about “there” then want h”here” to BE like “there. Those are the folks I loose patience with
They keep coming here for the weather and the welfare. My cousin's neighbor moved here from Florida with five kids and one of her baby-daddy's. He went to jail and taxpayers are paying for a half-dozen east-coasters...true story, but
everybody has stories about outsiders to blame.
The trick for all of us is not developing myopic blame for our problems.
People in Manhattan blame Brooklyn. Upstate people blame New York City. New Yorkers unite to hate Floridians. East coaster hate left coasters. American hate Middle Easterners, while the Iraqis hate the Iranians.
And when the Martians invade Earth, hopefully all the hateful earthlings can unite to fight the Martians.
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Just FYI - I'm part Indian.
We were here first. All you white folk immigrants keep invading our territory and bringing in all your newfangled new ideas.
We were here first. Things were fine until the immigrants came over with their new ideas, diseases, and thinking the world wasn't flat.
But before the Indians, white men invaded, Indians were fighting each other. Then they united to defend their country against white men and their fatal diseases
So, since white man invaded our country, it's gone to ßhit. So, who's blaming California ?
But just to be clear, nobody hates the State of California more than someone who lives here.
We were here first. All you white folk immigrants keep invading our territory and bringing in all your newfangled new ideas.
We were here first. Things were fine until the immigrants came over with their new ideas, diseases, and thinking the world wasn't flat.
But before the Indians, white men invaded, Indians were fighting each other. Then they united to defend their country against white men and their fatal diseases
So, since white man invaded our country, it's gone to ßhit. So, who's blaming California ?
But just to be clear, nobody hates the State of California more than someone who lives here.
Fled Kali in 2001, never looked back. Know other refugees, but not all are same. Some are terrified of firearms and constantly talk about the great things in Kali; equality, understanding and diversity. Seems most fled from taxes and crime, but would much rather see a mini-Kali in Utah. So, yes, not all refugees are the same or welcome!
Because they bring their beliefs and ideals with them, not realizing that implementing those (voting for them) led to the problems they left from. "Doing the same thing here will be better than it was there..." even though 'here' is only 'here' because those things weren't done here.
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Again, this concept shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
People LEAVE California to escape the beliefs and ideals you fear they want to bring with them. People LEAVE California get AWAY from the things you think they want to bring with them. To escape those ideals and beliefs.
The people you're afraid are NOT going to leave California, because they're content where they live.
The people who hate parts of California and hate liberals are the ones leaving California.
Can anybody explain to me why somebody who avoids liberals would move somewhere and try to make it like they don't want it to be.
People LEAVE California to escape the beliefs and ideals you fear they want to bring with them. People LEAVE California get AWAY from the things you think they want to bring with them. To escape those ideals and beliefs.
The people you're afraid are NOT going to leave California, because they're content where they live.
The people who hate parts of California and hate liberals are the ones leaving California.
Can anybody explain to me why somebody who avoids liberals would move somewhere and try to make it like they don't want it to be.
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Money. Jobs. There's two reasons.
We have LOTS of people moving here from California for cheaper housing, and because they can sell in Cali and buy here in cash with their Cali-sale equity and simply own outright.
Then they keep voting the same way they always have because that's their perspective on things... and things get more expensive here (typically it's always them voting to spend more money at the city/county level, and raise bonds (taxes) and direct taxes to pay for it... then wonder why things aren't affordable any more).
People aren't moving only to get away from politics - many are moving for financial reasons and bringing their politics with them, not realize their politics are why things were the way they were.
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So you're saying it's not absolute ?
Then why do so many people here firmly believe that it is ?
HayesGreener
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You are right it makes no sense but we encounter arrogant individuals from the communist states who believe they are just sooo much smarter than us backward hicks from the South. Many are roosting on the east coast but they have impact all over. They used to call them Carpetbaggers.
Because you're in an online forum where people think there are only two views: theirs and everyone else's. If you don't 100% align with them, you're on the other side.
You keep using this word but I don't think you understand it. Do you mean socialist?
Because right now, our President is 100% communist by definition: the government is taking on ownership of private companies and redistributing wealth from the rich to the needy - recent example: the "we're going to take these tarriffs (that US companies who do the importing paid the US government) and give poor and middle class folks $2000 checks."
Key U.S. government investments and actions in 2025 include:
- Intel's $8.9 Billion Infusion: In a landmark move, the U.S. government announced an $8.9 billion investment in Intel in August. This is a strategic investment that will give the government a roughly 10% stake in the semiconductor giant. Of this, $5.7 billion will come from previously awarded but unpaid grants under the CHIPS Act, with an additional $3.2 billion from a program focused on secure chip manufacturing.
- A Slice of Chip Sales: Beyond Intel, the government is reportedly looking to take a 15% share of NVIDIA and Advanced Micro Devices chip sales to China. By allowing some chip sales to China (i.e. the less powerful chips), this move aims to ensure that China’s Artificial Intelligence ecosystem remains dependent on U.S. technology while extracting a “toll” for the transaction.
- Securing Rare Earths with MP Materials: The Pentagon has purchased a $400 million equity stake in MP Materials, a rare-earth miner. This investment directly addresses national security concerns regarding crucial supply chains.
- The "Golden Share" in U.S. Steel: As part of the deal allowing Nippon Steel to acquire U.S. Steel, the U.S. government secured a "golden share." While non-economic, this gives the U.S. government board representation and veto power over critical decisions, such as closing U.S. Steel plants, ensuring domestic production continues.
- Defense Contractors on the Horizon? There are active discussions about taking stakes in defense contractors. Given that most of their revenue comes from the government, proponents argue this could prevent price gouging and ensure their priorities align with national security interests. However, critics worry it could stifle innovation, create conflicts of interest, and lead to the government favoring one contractor over another. Historically, the U.S. has relied on competition within the private sector to drive innovation and keep costs in check.
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That’s quite the stretch.
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure tariffs are paid by countries exporting goods to the US. And for many decades it has been one sided - I still remember being stationed in Okinawa in the early 80s and if a national living there wanted to buy a US car, Japan tacked on about $10k-$15k (probably $50k adjusted for inflation). Yet Japan regularly exported their cars to the US, where they were priced as the rest of the US market (maybe $1-$2k more, but they WERE much better quality than US cars build in the 80s).
I’m also pretty sure in communism, the State takes over complete control of production, not a small share of it, and the previous owners of those companies no longer own or make money from any of it, and then all profits are divided amongst the entire populace (in theory).
I’ve said here before that I’m not a fan of some of Trump’s antics, but putting the US on equal (or near equal) footing with all other Countries on imports/exports absolutely needed to happen (IMO).
Democrats put Trump in office twice by failing to run a candidate appealing to the middle. Clinton was damaged and Harris was anointed, not democratically chosen to be the D candidate. And before you go there, there are some women I would vote for in a heartbeat. I voted for Haley over Trump in the primary. Back in the day, I could easily have voted for Condoleeza Rice. This lady that just get elected Governor of Virginia, I think, seems reasonable, not a looney far left socialist liberal (though I’m sure she and I would disagree on some things).
I do think the $2000 rebate checks are ridiculous though. All tariffs monies should go directly to the National Debt. Also not a fan of blowing up the boats, though I’m not privy to intel. I hate that he tries to monetize a lot for apparent personal gain…though Biden was just as guilty of that. Not a fan of some of his pardons.
But I digress. I really just don’t think Trump comes CLOSE to being a communist (or a socialist for that matter). Don’t think Biden or Harris were either - but the Democrats have a lot of politicos that proudly identify as such (and some even run under the marxist/socialist flags). Well, communist party to, for that matter, even on US ballots.
HayesGreener
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FYI, my use of the term communist is in the context of the Second Amendment and how those states attempt to control gun rights. Communists want the locus of armed power with the state where the 2nd amendment puts the locus of armed power with the citizens.
Trump is the quintessential capitalist. I do not need convoluted logic based upon socialist, anti Trump talking points attempting to paint him as a communist. That is just ludicrous.
Trump is the quintessential capitalist. I do not need convoluted logic based upon socialist, anti Trump talking points attempting to paint him as a communist. That is just ludicrous.