Annihilator
Hellion
Very good read, I also love to read Elmer Keith’s books, guy was amazing
Ayoob: Is .45 Still Better Than 9mm?
- Thread starter Mike H.
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Remember Super-Vel ammo in the 70s?
Belt Fed
Ronin
Yep, they still make it
.38 used T be dirt cheap and 9mm the expensive round until departments switched to it. Then the price point shifted.
Like I said in 1986 when I first tried the 38 shor... I mean 9mm. I bought a S&W 659 and started shooting steel and from the tone realized, why you needed higher capacity. More than the wheel gun it was replacing after they took my .357 ammo away. Forty plus round load-out on the belt... That was later confirmed in my assignment of those years with interviewing survivors of their encounters with 9mm rounds. Not too many with those that encountered the .45 slugs, but there was one. So, a S&W 645 quickly replaced my 659 as I could not afford both back then. Now I know that ammo has improved and by multiplying the mass by the *** getting it there, that it delivers "X" on the target (if the small diameter doesn't allow it to pop out the other side). In short, I have both and carry the 9mm (or the short version .380) for its size and the bedstand has the thick boy. BUT, John Browning built it for a "spec"ific reason and holds true today, baseball bat or baton and how good is your placement...If it wasn’t for capacity and (maybe) availability, I wonder if 9 would be as popular as it is?
(That’s not to say the 45 would be any MORE popular).
As for the writers and Ayoob, well I have learned from his presentations and don't agree with them all, as they are making a living and I am out of popcorn for the moment, lol. But I do enjoy the show...
Well, that use to be;
The quickest internal combustion production car in the quarter mile is the 2023 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170, clocking a blistering 8.91 seconds at 151.17 mph.
Engine Specs
- Type: 6.2-liter supercharged HEMI V8
- Output: Up to 1,025 horsepower and 945 lb-ft of torque.
Bigger engines weigh more, but you're also right, there is no match to the Gustav 800 mm!
Then there is the new Corvette with ZR-1 and ZR-1X with 1064hp and 1250hp respectfully, with a 5.5-liter DOHC twin turbo flat plane crank which will deliver 670hp, normally aspirated. The ZR-1X runs in the 9's with all the comfort of a plush street car. But does get the extra ponies from one of them there climate changer electric motors... Guess that makes it a greener car, like a Prius. But it can take a curve...Well, that use to be;
The quickest internal combustion production car in the quarter mile is the 2023 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170, clocking a blistering 8.91 seconds at 151.17 mph.
- Type: 6.2-liter supercharged HEMI V8
- Output: Up to 1,025 horsepower and 945 lb-ft of torque.
Bigger engines weigh more, but you're also right, there is no match to the Gustav 800 mm!
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Annihilator
Hellion
Onewolf426
Hellcat
Well, they do keep getting lost, disappearing or walking off on their own, so..............Well shucks, I guess us 10mm guys are out in the cold
Anchorite
Master Class
Some gal with the last name of Force recently clocked 343mph in a top fuel V8 too ….Well, that use to be;
The quickest internal combustion production car in the quarter mile is the 2023 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170, clocking a blistering 8.91 seconds at 151.17 mph.
- Type: 6.2-liter supercharged HEMI V8
- Output: Up to 1,025 horsepower and 945 lb-ft of torque.
Bigger engines weigh more, but you're also right, there is no match to the Gustav 800 mm!
I like cubic inches.
What, "how dare you..." Okay, I will have to settle for the 1064/5.5 = 193 hp per liter or 3.1 ponies per cubic inch... Never mind the newton or kilowatt ratings.
Model 457
Master Class
I'm not interested enough to go back to see how the hell this thread morphed to cars. I cannot offer much but 3 points.
1) My dad used to build NASCAR engines for a living. I had the fastest 1/4 mile car in the county when I was in high school.
2) I own a 2009 ZR1. To this very day, it is fast enough for me.
3) I am a bike guy. I was clocked at 204 MPH at the Chuckwalla Valley Raceway and I am a member of the SRC.
I ride a Goldwing 93% of the time regardless of the weather. I use the Vette the other 7% of the time to grocery shop, etc. I ride my Hayabusa on the track exclusively. I'd bet 1% of the people here have done 2 Bills on a bike. Correct me if I'm wrong.
1) My dad used to build NASCAR engines for a living. I had the fastest 1/4 mile car in the county when I was in high school.
2) I own a 2009 ZR1. To this very day, it is fast enough for me.
3) I am a bike guy. I was clocked at 204 MPH at the Chuckwalla Valley Raceway and I am a member of the SRC.
I ride a Goldwing 93% of the time regardless of the weather. I use the Vette the other 7% of the time to grocery shop, etc. I ride my Hayabusa on the track exclusively. I'd bet 1% of the people here have done 2 Bills on a bike. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Ah, 135 on a scooter and then I started thinking about armadillos... Yep that be fast, as anything I am in or on that can do over 2 bills has wings on it.
bc22wm
Professional
Not sure how this got turned into a debate about Mr. Ayoob but I'll play. JMHO, Mr. Ayoob, in writing comes across like a pompous a**, then in writing and IN PERSON I come across as an opinionated, grumpy old Fudd, so we are even. As for 9mm v. 45 ACP, I think we are beating the grease spot where the dead horse used to be. Then we got to have something to talk about so carry on. 