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SigP320 Safety Problems Continue – Resulting In Bans from Police Training Ranges!

Bassbob said:
Um, because of the lawsuits. And the lawyers.

I mean unless you can think of another manufacturer who is currently fighting multiple lawsuits for guns that supposedly shoot themselves. Which is ridiculous.
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i think we’re (maybe just me) missing communication connections. Why is only Sig the one fighting “multiple” lawsuits concerning the P320 when many other manufacturers make similar weapons, even Sig with their non P320 strikers, and those guns aren’t getting involved in as many (if any) such lawsuits? And what would stop lawyers going after those other manufacturers if people were reporting uncommanded discharges concerning firearms besides P320s? Ambulance chasers are ambulance chasers, they don’t care about the target (other than how much money they can make).

I just find it hard to believe that only people that buy or use basic P320s engage in such large scale unsafe gun handling practices and since that would imply there should be just as many people improperly handling non P320 guns, where are those lawsuits for the other manufacturers? Or where are even reports of uncommanded discharges from competitors to the scale of the P320?

And for the record, I didn’t insinuate they shoot themselves. I provided my theory on why the uncommanded discharges might be happening. Don’t claim I’m correct, but certainly claim it’s a possibility, especially given the P320s fully cocked striker when loaded footprint. Certainly more likely (I believe) to fire from bumps and bangs and never being reset before an event than a partially cocked striker model might be.

I’ll admit I’m not a believer in 100% absolutes, 100% of the time. Such as a “Sig P320 could not possibly ever be involved in an uncommanded discharge”. I would not believe that about any gun, even ones advertised as drop safe.

I’m not looking for anyone to agree with my thoughts, just thought I’d share them like everyone else.
 
Lab4Us said:
i think we’re (maybe just me) missing communication connections. Why is only Sig the one fighting “multiple” lawsuits concerning the P320 when many other manufacturers make similar weapons, even Sig with their non P320 strikers, and those guns aren’t getting involved in as many (if any) such lawsuits? And what would stop lawyers going after those other manufacturers if people were reporting uncommanded discharges concerning firearms besides P320s? Ambulance chasers are ambulance chasers, they don’t care about the target (other than how much money they can make).

I just find it hard to believe that only people that buy or use basic P320s engage in such large scale unsafe gun handling practices and since that would imply there should be just as many people improperly handling non P320 guns, where are those lawsuits for the other manufacturers? Or where are even reports of uncommanded discharges from competitors to the scale of the P320?

And for the record, I didn’t insinuate they shoot themselves. I provided my theory on why the uncommanded discharges might be happening. Don’t claim I’m correct, but certainly claim it’s a possibility, especially given the P320s fully cocked striker when loaded footprint. Certainly more likely (I believe) to fire from bumps and bangs and never being reset before an event than a partially cocked striker model might be.

I’ll admit I’m not a believer in 100% absolutes, 100% of the time. Such as a “Sig P320 could not possibly ever be involved in an uncommanded discharge”. I would not believe that about any gun, even ones advertised as drop safe.

I’m not looking for anyone to agree with my thoughts, just thought I’d share them like everyone else.
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Well, it was all started by female cops carrying them in their purses. Obviously not wanting to look stupid, they blamed the guns. The departments, not wanting the heat associated with having stupid cops, sued Sig. If it was Marissa from Festus Missouri, no one gives a crap, no lawsuits, we’d have never heard a thing about it.

One thing is certain. Those Sigs do not fire without human interaction with the trigger. It’s not a gun problem. It’s a people problem.
 
Talyn said:
The same incidents/coments/controveries came up when the Glocks arrived.

Any striker-fired Glock0type trigger system needs to be protected against anything snagging on/going into the trigger guard/trigger area.


And ambulance-chasing lawyers will dive into any controversy to make $$.
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From this article posted, You can see the trigger in this holster set up with the large gap.
Which leads me to believe a foreign object has access to it as well
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I'm originally from NW Indiana and lived not too far from Tim Harmsen, a good guy who's highly knowledgeable. So for me, THIS HERE is the end of the debate.
Sig Breaks Silence - The P320 Interview
Military Arms Channel
 
ECS686 said:
Well it’s safe to say an Sig 320 going off on its own wasn’t the case!

18 years of a carry license and he didn’t know better!!!

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While no fan of the P320 (or Sig as a company), this case appears unrelated to the other P320 “uncommanded discharges”. I don’t recall any other one where the subject was pointing their P320 at a target when it went off. And, while I don’t feel like watching this video again to confirm, but I seem to remember one comment of it discharged when exiting his vehicle, then a different comment of “my gun misfired”, or something similar, after he exited his vehicle and was approaching the boys.

Lots of spin in this one. To add, I didn’t hear his attorneys once say he needed to draw his gun as he approached the boys because he was in fear of his life?

I can easily agree with folks who might feel the shooter was fault in this case - and not just because a bullet was discharged.
 
Lab4Us said:
While no fan of the P320 (or Sig as a company), this case appears unrelated to the other P320 “uncommanded discharges”. I don’t recall any other one where the subject was pointing their P320 at a target when it went off. And, while I don’t feel like watching this video again to confirm, but I seem to remember one comment of it discharged when exiting his vehicle, then a different comment of “my gun misfired”, or something similar, after he exited his vehicle and was approaching the boys.

Lots of spin in this one. To add, I didn’t hear his attorneys once say he needed to draw his gun as he approached the boys because he was in fear of his life?

I can easily agree with folks who might feel the shooter was fault in this case - and not just because a bullet was discharged.
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Yeah lots of failure in the property owners case and his legal team is grasping for straws. To me when they said that and that he had been a carry license holder for 18 years they sealed it for the prosecution as he should have known better!

That said, I have taught the private cites in side since I retired and the sad thing I have had to factor in several Minutes because I get some folks that are convinced they can point guns or do whatever when someone is simply fleeing a detached garage or the like.

The worst part is a lot of time it’s folks that should know better! (Or at least when they say they were a reserve PD or MP years ago and they ask what they ask you wonder if they even had a class back then
 
ECS686 said:
Well it’s safe to say an Sig 320 going off on its own wasn’t the case!

18 years of a carry license and he didn’t know better!!!

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Sounds like he violated every rule of gun safety, probably did so with the intent to intimidate the teens, and off to the races we go. Being a longtime gun owner, he no doubt knows about the P320's issues and thought he might be able to dodge accountability for his criminal negligence. But that will all be for the prosecutors to prove.
Moreover, this story has no bearing on every one of the hundreds of cases where responsible gun users did not have their hand on the gun and the gun was properly secured in holsters made specifically for the P320.
 
Sharks79 said:
came across this video while in a YouTube hole. I’m still extremely new to firearms so curious on thoughts.

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Okay, took the plunge and watched start to finish. Flashback nightmares of professor lectures in college (I went long enough ago all classes were “butts in seats”!).

His theory seems reasonable, but so does his cautionary tale of his fix could cause unintended consequences. Since the pre upgrade didn’t have the second leg on the sear but the post upgrade did, I’d wonder whether removing that second leg affects the drop safe factor of post upgrade P320s.

Even it this completely fixed the problems with the P320, Sig will never admit it. They can’t. Instant bankruptcy and potential criminal litigation if it came out they knew they could fix it and didn’t,

I chose option one long ago. Owned and traded away several P320s. Not like I didn’t shoot them, and I never had a problem with them, but I’d seen enough “smoke” indicating potential “fire” by the point I decided to dump them. And I got rid of them early enough I did NOT take a soaking on the trades, outside of the usual offsets for any LGS trades/sales.

SS P320 X-Carry - 19 Mar 19 - 18 Apr 23 - 742 rounds

SS P320 X-Compact - 9 Apr 19 - 18 Apr 23 - 885 rounds

SS P320 X-Compact - 15 Apr 19 - 18 Apr 23 - 790 rounds

Because Sig at this point had ticked me off so bad by the way they treated those who experienced and reported uncommanded discharges, I decided to also dump my P365s x 4 and a P229. All of which I’d had for a while.

SS P229 Legion RX - 2 Aug 18 - 8 Aug 23 - 1025 rounds

SS P365 NRA - 1 Jul 19 - 18 Apr 23 - 439 rounds

SS P365 SAS - 7 Oct 19 - 18 Apr 23 - 745 rounds

SS P365 basic - 20 Dec 18 - 18 Apr 23 - 1575 rounds

SS P365 XL - 2 Mar 20 - 18 Apr 23 - 750 rounds

With the P320s, life’s too short as it is and I wanted nothing to do with a potential uncommanded discharge I’d have no control over. With the rest, a matter of principle. Yes, they already had my money, but I had no intention of further supporting them (Sig, as a company). If they were to ever accept responsibility for their P320 issues, post initial upgrade, I might reconsider but as I stated above, I don’t think they can at this point in the conversation.
 
Another P320 video. Seems like Sig wants to label all P320 litigants as anti-gun karens in NH courts, even if they aren't anti-gun...

📜 Facing Mounting P320 Lawsuits, SIG Asks For Immunity ⚖️
Guns & Gadgets 2nd Amendment News
 
I could be mistaken, but isn’t there a Federal law already on the books protecting gun manufacturers from “misuse” of their products? Doesn’t just protect gun manufacturers but lots of other industries.

Sig thinking they need extra protection on top of that…hmmm. I’m a pretty firm proponent of 2A, but if Sig disappeared today, I wouldn’t bat an eye. And I’m still waiting for an explanation of why it’s always a P320 going off uncommanded, never a P365, never a P229, nor other Sigs or other gun manufacturers products at the rate Sigs P320s fail.

If this were a concerted effort to take down Sig, folks would be claiming all the various models are defective in design. Appears there is only one, and where there is smoke, there is very likely fire.

The Sig P320 design issue is NOT a 2A issue, no matter how much Sig and their lawyers try to spin it.

By the way, Wilson Combat is having a 30% off sale (as of 31 May 25) on their custom Sigs for those willing to roll the dice.

Custom Sig Sauer Handguns - Wilson Combat

Wilson Combat has been the innovator in custom pistols, long guns, and accessories since 1977. Home of the Wilson Combat 1911, EDC X9, WCP320, and more!
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Lab4Us said:
I could be mistaken, but isn’t there a Federal law already on the books protecting gun manufacturers from “misuse” of their products? Doesn’t just protect gun manufacturers but lots of other industries.

Sig thinking they need extra protection on top of that…hmmm. I’m a pretty firm proponent of 2A, but if Sig disappeared today, I wouldn’t bat an eye. And I’m still waiting for an explanation of why it’s always a P320 going off uncommanded, never a P365, never a P229, nor other Sigs or other gun manufacturers products at the rate Sigs P320s fail.

If this were a concerted effort to take down Sig, folks would be claiming all the various models are defective in design. Appears there is only one, and where there is smoke, there is very likely fire.

The Sig P320 design issue is NOT a 2A issue, no matter how much Sig and their lawyers try to spin it.

By the way, Wilson Combat is having a 30% off sale (as of 31 May 25) on their custom Sigs for those willing to roll the dice.

Custom Sig Sauer Handguns - Wilson Combat

Wilson Combat has been the innovator in custom pistols, long guns, and accessories since 1977. Home of the Wilson Combat 1911, EDC X9, WCP320, and more!
wilsoncombat.com wilsoncombat.com
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That federal law is the PLCAA - Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. The one thing that PLCAA does not cover is defective product. The very thing that people are suing Sig for. And when the gun-owning public realizes that this whole time Sig has been gaslighting them, the company will simply cease to exist for lack of customers...

Late in Trump's first term, Sig Sauer closed their production facility in Germany. Apparently, this was because Germany had cancelled (or declined to renew) ALL of their contracts with Sig, for reasons that I could never ascertain. So I put that on my mind's back burner... and JUST NOW I'm wondering if these cancelled contracts were due to defects in design or manufacturing. We will never know if that's the case because no nation in Europe has a 1st Amendment analogue.
 
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