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SigP320 Safety Problems Continue – Resulting In Bans from Police Training Ranges!

Yesterday at my new range a guy was shooting a Sig P320. He was about ten feet to my left drawing firing from a OWB holster at 10 yards. After reading numerous reports about problems with the 320 I kept a close eye on him. He didn't have any problems and was shooting very small groups.
 
rcurtner said:
Yesterday at my new range a guy was shooting a Sig P320. He was about ten feet to my left drawing firing from a OWB holster at 10 yards. After reading numerous reports about problems with the 320 I kept a close eye on him. He didn't have any problems and was shooting very small groups.
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Those groups will be especially tight when he gets a UD to the ballzac...! :LOL:
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KillerFord1977 said:
Old news .. just like Glock Leg

Lets talk about training and thousands of people, including LEO, and Military, that get the bare bones firearms training. Cops are better trained in hand to hand and automobile high speed pursuit than firearms.
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Yep. There was a time 35 years ago when many agencies would not allow a Glock. It turned out to be a training issue-keep finger and other things off the damn trigger.
 
I highly respect Bruce Gray's words at Grayguns. Having owned and used 6 P320's in my training business, I just can't see how you can make one fire without the trigger being pulled.

With respect to drop testing guns. I point to the FBI testing years ago when they were testing for a duty handgun. Their testing protocol for drop testing was to drop the gun 3 times on concrete from a height of 3 feet. The point is, they understoid that if you drop any gun repeatedly, eventually something is going to fail.
 

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I think the overarching issue is that phrase “make one fire”. Not from you @HayesGreener, but may of the P320 defenders use that same phrase. I have always maintained it (the discharges, no matter how they’re defined) were due to excessive knocks and bumps while being carried in holsters, infrequently removed from those holsters, and almost never reset like done by those whose “carry” and are not LE, where those using for EDC generally unload/reload daily or every day or two, and reset the striker. After enough bumps/bangs/whacks, with zero striker resets, striker eventually does things resulting in a discharge.

Any striker fired gun I carry gets unloaded and reloaded before I carry it because I prefer to know the striker is in its fully reset position. Just has always seemed a prudent thing to do. And yes, I do alternate my top magazine rounds and fire off my carry ammo regularly.
 
HayesGreener said:
Yep. There was a time 35 years ago when many agencies would not allow a Glock. It turned out to be a training issue-keep finger and other things off the damn trigger.
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Proper gun handling should be a norm. That alone solves 99.9% of the issues. But the remaining .01% are the UD's that are entirely Sig's to own...
The fact that EVERY other chassis system has 0000000% UD's says it all. I dare ANY Sig fanboi to identify EVEN SO MUCH AS A SINGLE CASE of non-Sig chassis gun fails!! And IF/AND/OR WHEN that happens, I'll proclaim it from the mountain-tops!!!!
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I wouldn't give a rodent's **** if this went unnoticed, but the more people simp for a company who sh!ts down everyone's neck over a glaring, documented, FACTUALLY ESTABLISHED ISSUE, the MORE I WILL CALL OUT the OBVIOUS BULL MANURE!!
That being said, I will heartily go and buy a Sig P365 the very instant I have the money to do so. This isn't about brand loyalty; this is about individual model worthiness!
 
Lab4Us said:
I think the overarching issue is that phrase “make one fire”. Not from you @HayesGreener, but may of the P320 defenders use that same phrase. I have always maintained it (the discharges, no matter how they’re defined) were due to excessive knocks and bumps while being carried in holsters, infrequently removed from those holsters, and almost never reset like done by those whose “carry” and are not LE, where those using for EDC generally unload/reload daily or every day or two, and reset the striker. After enough bumps/bangs/whacks, with zero striker resets, striker eventually does things resulting in a discharge.

Any striker fired gun I carry gets unloaded and reloaded before I carry it because I prefer to know the striker is in its fully reset position. Just has always seemed a prudent thing to do. And yes, I do alternate my top magazine rounds and fire off my carry ammo regularly.
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I am LE and my gun is unloaded every night. Mag out, eject the live round. Reloaded every morning. Unfortunately we have to keep the same ammo for one year. We have to use the ammo they give us, and they only have us shoot it off and replace it once per year (at qualifying).
 
PAGunGuy said:
I am LE and my gun is unloaded every night. Mag out, eject the live round. Reloaded every morning. Unfortunately we have to keep the same ammo for one year. We have to use the ammo they give us, and they only have us shoot it off and replace it once per year (at qualifying).
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We replaced duty ammo twice a year at qualifications. With our high humidity it is a good practice.
 
PAGunGuy said:
I am LE and my gun is unloaded every night. Mag out, eject the live round. Reloaded every morning. Unfortunately we have to keep the same ammo for one year. We have to use the ammo they give us, and they only have us shoot it off and replace it once per year (at qualifying).
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See if your higher ups are savvy about primer deadening due to load/unload cycles. It’s a thing.

At bare minimum, cycle your rounds, so it’s not the same one getting chambered/ejected constantly.
 
Bassbob said:
Unloading and loading them seems unnecessary and potentially problematic to me.
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It used to be a teaching item in police academies in revolver days to unload and separate gun and ammo with kid safety at home in mind. We did not have the plethora of home gun lockers in the day. When ISP first issued the Model 39 S&W they urged troopers to remove the magazine which rendered the gun inert with magazine disconnect. In fact the magazine disconnect was a big selling feature. Thinking changes over time.
 
TurboDog910 said:
If I’m wrong tell me but I was thinking the same thing.
If it’s out and not locked in the safe I keep mine chambered.
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It’s not problematic if you do it safely.

I don’t store weapons with a round in the chamber; I don’t like it, it’s not how I was taught growing up around firearms, and I won’t do it.

More power to those who do; we all get to make our own choices.

I just replace rounds in autos that get carried; usually every 4-5 chamberings. Ammo is cheap.

I also usually carry a revolver, though, so that makes it a non-issue for me.
 
HansGruber said:
It’s not problematic if you do it safely.

I don’t store weapons with a round in the chamber; I don’t like it, it’s not how I was taught growing up around firearms, and I won’t do it.

More power to those who do; we all get to make our own choices.

I just replace rounds in autos that get carried; usually every 4-5 chamberings. Ammo is cheap.

I also usually carry a revolver, though, so that makes it a non-issue for me.
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Storing (not for immediate emergency use) firearms I’m with you it’s not chambered and locked in gun safe. Carry and home defense which are usually limited to three. A conceal carry handgun, Glock 17, and an ar rifle I keep all 3 chambered.
If I leave the home I’ll lock the ar rifle and Glock 17 in rapid “safe” metal box but don’t like to chamber the rifle multiple times a day coming and going. I’ve never had it happen but been told by firearms instructors that light primer strikes though rare can happen with ar’s.
No kids or houseguests, usually just me, my wife and dogs.
 
TurboDog910 said:
Storing (not for immediate emergency use) firearms I’m with you it’s not chambered and locked in gun safe. Carry and home defense which are usually limited to three. A conceal carry handgun, Glock 17, and an ar rifle I keep all 3 chambered.
If I leave the home I’ll lock the ar rifle and Glock 17 in rapid “safe” metal box but don’t like to chamber the rifle multiple times a day coming and going. I’ve never had it happen but been told by firearms instructors that light primer strikes though rare can happen with ar’s.
No kids or houseguests, usually just me, my wife and dogs.
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If it’s not on my person, it’s stored.

Revolvers kept “at ready” have the cylinder swung open, but loaded. Imit’s the same thing as keeping a loaded mag in the weapon (which many of the guns in the safe have).
 
Well, I'll just say this. Any handgun I may or may not have that is intended for home defense, whether it's in a safe or not is loaded with one in the chamber. My carry guns are loaded with one in the chamber. Any shotguns I may or may not have in or out of the safes that are defensive shotguns are loaded, some "Cruiser" or equivalent, some with a round chambered. Anything I may or may not have that is essentially "Stored" are not loaded.

I rotate out carry ammo every few months and in the event I need to unload the gun for any other reason I empty the mag and put the previously chambered round at the bottom of the magazine.

Growing up I always had guns, but they were hunting guns and not loaded until I was in the field. The old man's SD guns were always fully loaded and from a very young age I knew where they were and how to use them. I also knew if I did use them I had better have unimpeachable justification or I was getting my ass kicked. There were never any such problems. I raised my daughter the same way. Again, there were never any problems. These days it's me, the woman and two cats. I don't foresee any problems.
 
Bassbob said:
Well, I'll just say this. Any handgun I may or may not have that is intended for home defense, whether it's in a safe or not is loaded with one in the chamber. My carry guns are loaded with one in the chamber. Any shotguns I may or may not have in or out of the safes that are defensive shotguns are loaded, some "Cruiser" or equivalent, some with a round chambered. Anything I may or may not have that is essentially "Stored" are not loaded.

I rotate out carry ammo every few months and in the event I need to unload the gun for any other reason I empty the mag and put the previously chambered round at the bottom of the magazine.

Growing up I always had guns, but they were hunting guns and not loaded until I was in the field. The old man's SD guns were always fully loaded and from a very young age I knew where they were and how to use them. I also knew if I did use them I had better have unimpeachable justification or I was getting my ass kicked. There were never any such problems. I raised my daughter the same way. Again, there were never any problems. These days it's me, the woman and two cats. I don't foresee any problems.
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A gun is always loaded whether or not it is
 
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