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SHTF Scenario Definition

The Night Rider said:
It's interesting to look back on this discussion post Covid.

Before I say anything else, let me say Im I'm absolutely convinced Covid was a dry run. They found out that all they have to do to get the majority of Americans to give up their Civil Liberties is scare them bad enough.

AFAI Was C Covid, might as well have never happened. I was working as a Night Watchman at an empty warehouse on third shift. I saw the person I relieved and the person who relieved me. They never actually locked down Colorado but I had a letter from my employer designating me as "Mission Essential Personnel" in case they did.

I've said this before but during the shortages I asked my wife to take note of things that would have been useful that were hard to come by and if things ever eased up that's what we were going to stock.

That's what we've been doing for 4 years.

The biggest part of our "Preps" wasn't even our doing. As mentioned many times previously our daughter bought a plot of land out on the Eastern Plains and put a house on it for us to live in.

We moved out here about a month ago. and we've pretty much decided we're not going West of Ellicott Highway unless we have to.
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FWIW out here everybody has a backup generator and some are off the Grid entirely.

I talk about Xavier Breathe everytime this topic comes up. He's a blogger who lived through Katrina.

One thing that he mentioned was if everyone else is doing without electricity and your house is lit up like a Christmas Tree it will be noticed. He also mentioned that the sound of a gas generator carries for miles when there's no other sound.
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One of my college roommates was from South Florida and went home to prepare for Andrew in ‘92.

He told stories about turning off the generator at night (and taking shifts with shotguns) so the looters wouldn’t come to the sound and looking for the lights.
Not so much a problem with Ivan, but Katrina, yes.
 
SHTF? Thats going to town and forgetting my pipe or tobacco and too far to turn around. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Always have food stocked up, just the way I was raised. Enough propane to run the house full steam ahead for 4-6 weeks, longer if we conserve. Other than that, I'll just take it as it comes. For the EOTWAWKI, I don't care to survive anyway. Too old, too tired, and too lazy. Grew up "off grid" that everyone fantasizes about. Had a great childhood, but it's long hours, hard work, not fun and games, and I have no interest of living that way again.
 
Anchorite said:
One of my college roommates was from South Florida and went home to prepare for Andrew in ‘92.

He told stories about turning off the generator at night (and taking shifts with shotguns) so the looters wouldn’t come to the sound and looking for the lights.
Not so much a problem with Ivan, but Katrina, yes.
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My street floods every couple years. I can’t count the nights I spent in hip waders or a canoe with a shotgun patrolling for looters.
 
I've already said this but where I'm at almost everybody has a backup generator. So if the power goes out and I fire mine up I'm not going to be the Lone Ranger.

Technology has advanced since Katrina, gas generators are kind of old school technology.

One of the things though that Xavier Breathe mentioned in his blog, again this isn't so much a problem here, was it even if his neighbors weren't trying to steal his generator it became very obvious very quickly that his house had power and theirs didn't. His neighbors started lining up at his door. "demanding" access to the electricity.

So again, you don't want to be the only house on the block that's lit up.

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As I said at the beginning of this post technology has advanced quite a bit since the early 90s.

We have LED bulbs in some of our light fixtures with a battery backup. No generator needed. We put garden lights out not for decoration but again because it's emergency lighting.

We have USB rechargeable Phoenix lanterns that will light up our whole living room.

I mentioned that because that's that much load that's taking off the generator because it's not generating lights.

Our heat is propane (and wood), are stoves propane, again and wood.

If the power goes out for an extended period here the only thing we're really going to be running off to solar generator is the fridge and the deep freeze and the well.
 
The Night Rider said:
I've already said this but where I'm at almost everybody has a backup generator. So if the power goes out and I fire mine up I'm not going to be the Lone Ranger.

Technology has advanced since Katrina, gas generators are kind of old school technology.

One of the things though that Xavier Breathe mentioned in his blog, again this isn't so much a problem here, was it even if his neighbors weren't trying to steal his generator it became very obvious very quickly that his house had power and theirs didn't. His neighbors started lining up at his door. "demanding" access to the electricity.

So again, you don't want to be the only house on the block that's lit up.

I posted this video before.



As I said at the beginning of this post technology has advanced quite a bit since the early 90s.

We have LED bulbs in some of our light fixtures with a battery backup. No generator needed. We put garden lights out not for decoration but again because it's emergency lighting.

We have USB rechargeable Phoenix lanterns that will light up our whole living room.

I mentioned that because that's that much load that's taking off the generator because it's not generating lights.

Our heat is propane (and wood), are stoves propane, again and wood.

If the power goes out for an extended period here the only thing we're really going to be running off to solar generator is the fridge and the deep freeze and the well.
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My first real taste of what it’s like, post natural disaster was hearing the stories of Andrew in ‘92. And there had been brushes of storms in the years after. Then I lived through Ivan in 2004.

Living on the Gulf Coast you prepare a little each year, but Ivan hit home. We were without power for 4 days. Gasoline was hard to come by for a week. Same for supplies…nothing could get in, which is why I am anti-price gouging laws …. charge whatever to incentivize getting material into the zone!!

Next was Katriana and we had no power outages (because of the Ivan repairs the year before), but again, supply chain disruption for weeks, gasoline was very hard to come by and massive influx of “refugees.”

Most of the locals forgot what that was like and then we had Sally. Not an overly severe storm when measured against others, but for over 30 hours it dumped rain which saturated and flooded and the trees started falling. We were without power for 12 days. No one was really prepared for that. There was a gas shortage and food/water shortage as well. We stayed with our daughter and son-in-law for 6 of those days. We did not have a whole-home generator at that time, but invested in one after Sally. They had a half-full outdoor propane tank that we rationed. We managed, but as much as we love our daughter we didn’t want to repeat this so that was a huge motivator to get the Genrac.

There are lessons to be learned from every storm, and we would all do well to share, study, discuss and take away from each.

I feel better with the generator now as we are not getting any younger and appreciate the comforts of home more. But I’m realistic too…the gas supply could be turned off if there are post-storm fire risks, so I try to think that problem through and what would we do if we couldn’t run our generator?
 
10mmLife said:
We've all used the term SHTF in conversation or in our post. Some people prepare for such an event more so then others. When most of us use this term do we have a real definition as to what that would look like or how it happened? Is SHTF a temporary event caused by civil unrest, terrorist attack, natural disaster etc.... Or is SHTF more of total societal collapse brought on by a major event such as meteor strike, the world's economy collapse or a zombie apocalypse.

What is your idea of how SHTF and how is it brought on?

Do you have a contingency plan for such an event?

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject.

No need to be shy this can be a fun topic.
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Why yes, my SHTF event begins when my eggs get burned, then I head out to Waffle House.
While I'm lucky to be able to afford eggs or eating out, I prepare by keeping a stash of cash on hand for emergencies.

Another event that causes turmoil is my bar running out of my beer, it's a SHTF moment if I have to switch to Bud Light.

I bought a travel trailer just to be prepared in the event my house gets blown away so I can still have my eggs and beer.

I also keep well stocked on toilet paper, that's the first thing that goes scarce around here after bad weather events, so I got my *** covered there.

Sorry I'm so late again....... :rolleyes:
 
Well we are retired so we are home a lot if we aren’t traveling so I am set up in my garage and in the house both places are arm to the t and lots of ammo . We will definitely hold the fort down at home front I have water containers in both places and some can food and first aid supplies in both places
 
Bloodknight said:
I knew it was coming,but not in my lifetime.After much thought.I decided to get to southern Arizona.Set up at home to protect me & the wife as best as possible.Concerned about looters& such.I know that if the authorities both local & state come in force.Partys over.I won't fire on American troops.Nato is another story.There are many setting up for all out conflict,but I have to be real.Those who have never seen something like this are all ready for the shooting to start.Been there done that.It's still beyond belief that we are talking about America.I'll be ready & do what I can
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Biggest problem in S. Arizona is Tucson. Lots of crime, homeless, etc. I realize you are probably located miles out, but all those gangbangers gotta eat. I live about 15 miles North as a snowbird and a fair amount of artillery follows me South in November. Plus if SHTF, a lot of Mexicans will be heading for the USA. I mean, they live in a SHTF already, anything has got to be better!
 
We have learned to be self reliant out here on the ranch. We have a 40kw diesel generator to run two houses and the well pump, hurricane shutters, saws and tractors for clearing the driveways, and ample canned goods and MREs to last till things return to normal. Firearms and fishing gear on hand. Oh, and don't forget an emergency supply of feed for our various critters to last a few weeks. We learned through sad experience what it is like to be without power for 3 weeks following Ivan.
 
HayesGreener said:
We have learned to be self reliant out here on the ranch. We have a 40kw diesel generator to run two houses and the well pump, hurricane shutters, saws and tractors for clearing the driveways, and ample canned goods and MREs to last till things return to normal. Firearms and fishing gear on hand. Oh, and don't forget an emergency supply of feed for our various critters to last a few weeks. We learned through sad experience what it is like to be without power for 3 weeks following Ivan.
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Being in suburbia, I stock up on canned goods and water certain times of the year. Then eat them down and replenish again after we get close to summer months. If we go periods of ice, snow, no electricity, I have nat gas and 4 propane tanks I keep filled to cook/keep warm and survive with no electricity.
 
Bear103 said:
My wife finding out how much I really paid for my guns.
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Dollar store solar driveway lights provide a lot of free house lighting. A portable solar panel can provide charges to rechargeable flashlights, lanterns phone etc.

For those who cannot use a wood burner for heat and cooking. Propane heaters like big buddy, and portable gas grills can cook food can use easily stored 1 lb canisters and with a hose and adaptor use larger propane cylinders.

Foods can be stored long term thru purchased cans and canning, drying smoking etc. Water can be stored, filtered and purified by various methods.

These are all small things which csn help those who bug in and csn be collected over the longterm with small outlays of cash.
 
There are a few places that still have metal garbage cans and maybe the min cans to. They can keep rice and wheat safe from rodents. When I owned my own home I used them along with the old 25 gallon oil cans which is good for tools and spare parts like oil chain for saw and a few other things. I had a basement and crawl space and thieves usually don't look in crawl space. My crawl space was right at 4ft but smaller ones can be updated to fill the need of shelter in place.
 
10mmLife said:
How about distance from home when SHTF the highway is in gridlock and there is mass rioting? An example for me is sometimes I can be 50 miles or more from home when I'm at work. Can you imagine trying to span 50 miles through a heavy population area to reach your home and family without having any form of communication if the phone service stops and everyone is in panic?
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This scenario is one I ponder often. More specifically though, the pros and cons of dailying my motorcycle (bagger) versus my SUV.

I motorcycle provides limited storage, but it can maneuver in tighter situations. Depending on the time of year, offroad capabilities on mostly flat terrain for the motorcycle can be good or bad, depending on storm season or not. I live in Oklahoma so no need to prep for large hills offroad. I have no problem riding in the rain, but you're going to get wet so plan accordingly.

SUV would provide better protection and storage but would be more difficult to maneuver.
 
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