HansGruber
Ronin
Or, quite likely, the CMP and others know what they are talking about, and you, an anonymous nobody on the internet, do not.
Boy you sure watched those videos fast...lol
Except the CMP posts a warning using CUP pressure references which is out dated and then threw in a random bullet weight (172gr) then a few hours later changing it to 172-174gr.
So yeah...they are really on top of it.
It would be nice if showed everyone what info they based their "warning" on...
Talyn
SAINT
I don't get my firearms knowledge from unknown YouTube entertainers like apparently you do. I already knew the facts & didn't waste my time watching vids pulled out of thin air.
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So by your own admission you didn't watch the vids that showed the facts and they came to be presented as such......
that means you will remain ignorant on this topic and I suppose you will keep your head in the sand every time you are shown something that goes against what you "know"....
Talyn
SAINT
Having owned, competed with at the collegiate and DCM/CMP levels, and maintained/rebuilt a couple dozen + M1Gs and M1As since the early 80's I'm very well experienced with both platforms.
You admitted that you didn't think much about the factual info I posted so you're admitting your own ignorance/slanted point of view.
Like I said earlier, the bottom line is, believe what you/any user wants based on available information.
If anyone, and especially new owner/operators, have any doubts, go with the safest option especially for the M1A and M1G since their operating systems are dated and have their weaknesses.
Welcome to the club! I've also been a long time competitor and collector and builder of garands.
I dismissed your [cough] "factual" information because it was wrong. That why I said posting that article and claiming it's factual is misinformation.
The authors should be ashamed for their lack of research before posting that drivel.
You do see where their errors are... right?
I mean with your claimed vast year's of experience you should immediately see the problems in that article.
Talyn
SAINT
I think folks new to the platforms & not aware of their idiosyncrasies should be given the safest information until they develop the knowledge & experience to decide what they want to feed their rifles.
Op rods aren't as plentiful and they're not priced right like they used to, and there's very few folks out there anymore that knows how to repair bent op rods when some feed their rifles ammo that's not suited for them.
End of story.
CMP knows what they're talking about when they issued this warning.
bulletin.accurateshooter.com
The maximum pressure allowed by Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer's Institute (SAAMI) specifications is 60,000 psi or 50,000 cup.
This exceeds the CMP warning.
Op rods aren't as plentiful and they're not priced right like they used to, and there's very few folks out there anymore that knows how to repair bent op rods when some feed their rifles ammo that's not suited for them.
End of story.
CMP knows what they're talking about when they issued this warning.
CMP Warns Against High-Pressure Loads in Garands and 1903s « Daily Bulletin
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) has issued an ammunition safety advisory to all users of M1 Garands, M1903s, and M1903A3 rifles. Ammunition that is loaded beyond 50,000 Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) and using bullets weighing more than 172 grains should be limited to modern rifles, and...
The maximum pressure allowed by Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer's Institute (SAAMI) specifications is 60,000 psi or 50,000 cup.
This exceeds the CMP warning.
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The safest thing to do with new garand owner's is to TEACH them the facts .. especially about proper maintenance and lubrication.
The oprod is damaged due to lack of lubrication not the commercial/milsurp ammo you shoot.
End of story.
Talyn
SAINT
The bottom line is that the USGI .30-06 and commercial .30-06 are different loads.
Buying ammunition manufactured for and marked as such on the box for use in an M1 Garand is a good idea.
Loading ammunition using load data, on or near maximum standard 30-06 Springfield for an M1 Garand is not a good idea.
Loading 30-06 Springfield using load data considered safe for an M1 Garand is a good idea. Doing otherwise is unsafe.
Buying ammunition manufactured for and marked as such on the box for use in an M1 Garand is a good idea.
Loading ammunition using load data, on or near maximum standard 30-06 Springfield for an M1 Garand is not a good idea.
Loading 30-06 Springfield using load data considered safe for an M1 Garand is a good idea. Doing otherwise is unsafe.
You need to stop editing your posts after they have been replied to...I think folks new to the platforms & not aware of their idiosyncrasies should be given the safest information until they develop the knowledge & experience to decide what they want to feed their rifles.
Op rods aren't as plentiful and they're not priced right like they used to, and there's very few folks out there anymore that knows how to repair bent op rods when some feed their rifles ammo that's not suited for them.
End of story.
CMP knows what they're talking about when they issued this warning.
CMP Warns Against High-Pressure Loads in Garands and 1903s « Daily Bulletin
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) has issued an ammunition safety advisory to all users of M1 Garands, M1903s, and M1903A3 rifles. Ammunition that is loaded beyond 50,000 Copper Units of Pressure (CUP) and using bullets weighing more than 172 grains should be limited to modern rifles, and...
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The maximum pressure allowed by Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer's Institute (SAAMI) specifications is 60,000 psi or 50,000 cup.
This exceeds the CMP warning.
Your pdf file doesn't contradict the CMP "warning". Unless you have a specific sentence that does....I haven't seen it.
Please explain how different commercial ammo is compared to milsurp ammo.
Specifically how different are they?
Right. .. which is exactly what CMP said...
CMP just all said SAAMI spec is fine.
Same thing I said.