Keystone19250
SAINT
So I’ve got some research to do on the .308 rounds I have in regards to pressure. The .308 ammunition I have is when I had the Savage AR10
Keystone19250
SAINT
Thanks.
I will say I’ve focused on running the Sig 150G FMJ because it has cycled every time without issue, some of the heavier grain Ammo (165-180G) I tried when first shooting the gun failed (occasionally) to cycle completely.
None of the boxes of .308 ammunition I have says anything about NATO Spec
Looks like JRA just went down a few notches in my book based on that pile of misinformation.
Lol they actually think there is a 12,000 psi difference in chamber pressure... Holy moly
More misinformation.....no modification is needed to shoot commercial ammo in garands.
Talyn
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Baloney.
Hotter than Milspec ammo (but still safe SAAMI .30-06 loads) can bend the operating rod if fired in a Garand with the stock gas system. Some people install an adjustable gas plug to mitigate this risk when firing commercial ammo.
The M1 Garand was desired to fire a standardized military loading, and it's gas system is tailored to that loading. Ammo marked "M1 Garand" operates at roughly the same pressure, which will keep it from damaging the rifle.
But, there ARE commercial target loads tailored to the Garand.
The Secret to a Long Life?: A Garand Diet or What to Feed Your M1 Garand (Part I) :: Guns.com
There's no traditional safety or decocker, rather a trigger safety like you see on Glocks, XD/XDms, Walthers, etc., and the only other external control...
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The M1 Garand and Commercial Ammunition - GarandGear
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Milspec and commercial are both SAAMI spec...Baloney.
Hotter than Milspec ammo (but still safe SAAMI .30-06 loads) can bend the operating rod if fired in a Garand with the stock gas system. Some people install an adjustable gas plug to mitigate this risk when firing commercial ammo.
The M1 Garand was desired to fire a standardized military loading, and it's gas system is tailored to that loading. Ammo marked m1 Garand operates at roughly the same pressure, which will keep it from damaging the rifle.
But, there ARE commercial target loads tailored to the Garand.
The Secret to a Long Life?: A Garand Diet or What to Feed Your M1 Garand (Part I) :: Guns.com
There's no traditional safety or decocker, rather a trigger safety like you see on Glocks, XD/XDms, Walthers, etc., and the only other external control...
The garand was designed to fire a 174gr FMJ at 2700fps.
Talyn
SAINT
Never said it was. But commercial ammo and milsurp ammo do operate at similar pressures.
Talyn
SAINT
It's all about the pressure curve.
But, go ahead and run whatever you want and ignore the facts.
M2 ball is 2800 at the muzzle.
4895 wasn't designed for the garand at all and wasn't used in USGI ammo until around 1943 or so.
Prior to that it was IMR 1185 or 4676.
But M2 ball isn't relevant nor is 4895 when considering what is "safe".
What facts have you presented?
If commercial ammo has similar port pressure as milsurp then what's the issue?
Talyn
SAINT
Scroll up.
Posting links to poorly written articles with bad information isn't any way to post "facts".
Recusant
Hellcat
Or, you can shop around for a used, in good condition Remington 700 in .308. That's the best way I know to use up extra ammo. Heck, you might even really like shooting a bolt-action rifle and acutually buy more .308 to shoot.
HansGruber
Ronin
As long as it’s loaded specifically for the Garand…commercial is fine.
But most commercial .30-06 is NOT loaded for it, and eventually WILL damage your rifle.
Not likely since it's operating pressures are very similar to milsurp ammo
Recusant
Hellcat
Hans and Talyn, I and other here certainly agree. This discussion comes around from time to time on almost every gun forum that I visit. I guess when the CMP advises to not use .30/06 ammunition in M1 Garands that is loaded beyond 50,000 CUP and has a bullet weight more than 172-174gr there should be no question. However, some folks have their own opinions and any further discussion is like beating a dead horse:
The simple answer is the CMP posts something very confusing and people loose their minds. The CMP should have never said what they said.
In essence it said pretty much all SAAMI spec ammo is fine and that you only have to worry about bullet weight if it exceeds SAAMI spec.
I don't work on opinions I work on facts. And prior to 2010 or so no one really cared about this because it had never been an issue ( and it still isn't).